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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:23:45 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> To: Roman Zippel <zippel@...ux-m68k.org> Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, karim@...rsys.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, Paul Mundt <lethal@...ux-sh.org>, Jes Sorensen <jes@....com>, Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...e.de>, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@...ibm.com>, ltt-dev@...fik.org, Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@...ymtl.ca> Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 * Roman Zippel <zippel@...ux-m68k.org> wrote: > > For example people wanted pluggable (runtime and/or compile time CPU > > scheduler in the kernel. This was rejected (IIRC by Linus, Andrew, > > Ingo, and myself). No doubt it would have been useful for a small > > number of people but it was decided that it would split testing and > > development resources. The STREAMS example is another one. > > Comparing it to STREAMS is an insult and Ingo should be aware of this. > :-( so in your opinion Nick's mentioning of STREAMS is an insult too? I certainly do not understand Nick's example as an insult. Is STREAMS now a dirty word to you that no-one is allowed to use as an example in kernel maintanance discussions? Let me recap how I mentioned STREAMS for the first time: it was simply the best example i could think of when you asked the following question: > > Why don't you leave the choice to the users? Why do you constantly > > make it an exclusive choice? [...] > > [...] > > the user of course does not care about kernel internal design and > maintainance issues. Think about the many reasons why STREAMS was > rejected - users wanted that too. And note that users dont want > "static tracers" or any design detail of LTT in particular: what they > want is the _functionality_ of LTT. (see <20060915231419.GA24731@...e.hu> for the full context. Tellingly, that point of mine you have left unreplied too.) btw., you still have not retracted or corrected your false suggestion that "concessions" or a "compromise" were possible and you did not retract or correct your false accusation that i "dont want to make them": > It's impossible to discuss this with you, because you're absolutely > unwilling to make any concessions. What am I supposed to do than it's > very clear to me, that you don't want to make any compromise anyway? while, as i explained it before, such a concession simply does not exist - so i am not in the position to "make such a concession". There are only two choices in essence: either we accept a generic static tracer, or we reject it. (see <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609171744570.6761@...ub.home>) Ingo - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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