Message-Id: <1159419944.13562.70.camel@sipan.sipan.org>
Date:	Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:05:44 -0400
From:	Sergey Panov <sipan@...an.org>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...l.org>
Cc:	Patrick McFarland <diablod3@...il.com>,
	Chase Venters <chase.venters@...entec.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@...ux01.gwdg.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...eleye.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 21:13 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Sergey Panov wrote:
> > 
> > I hope you understand that "Passionate Moderate" is an oxymoron.
> 
> No. It's a joke.
> 
> But it's a sad, serious, one. You really don't want it explained to you. 
> It's too painful.
> 
> > And I do not believe RMS is a commie!
> 
> Ehh. Nobody called him a commie.
> 
> I said he was an extremist (and tastes differ, but I think most people 
> would agree). And he _has_ written a manifesto. I'm not kidding. Really. 
> 
>   "How soon they forget.."
> 

I appreciate it was not : "Ein Gespenst geht um in Europa ... "

> One thing that I have realized during some of these discussions is that a 
> _lot_ of people have literally grown up during all the "Open Source" 
> years, and really don't know anything about rms, GNU, or the reason Open 
> Source split from Free Software.
> 
> I'm feeling like an old fart, just because I still remember the BSD 
> license wars, and rms' manifesto, and all this crap.
> 
> For you young whippersnappers out there, let me tell you how it was when I 
> was young..
> 

FYI: I am using (in/on my home network) nothing but YOUR kernel with GNU
tools since 1993. I was A PhD student at the unnamed US university at
that time.
  
> We had to walk uphill both ways
> 
>  [ "In snow! Five feet deep!"
>    "No! Ten feet!"
>    "Calm down boys, I'm telling the story" ]
> 
> And we had all these rabid GPL haters that were laughing at us, and 
> telling us you could never make software under the GPL because none of the 
> commercial people would ever touch it and all programmers need to eat and 
> feed their kids..
> 
>  [ "Tell them about when you killed a grizzly bear with your teeth, 
>     gramps!"
> 
>    "Shh, Tommy, that's a different story, shush now" ]

It is nice to know you are not aware of the "grizzly? no, dushily"
Russian jock, people in Republic of Georgia might not appreciate.

> And Richard Stallman wrote a manifesto.
> 
> Thank God we still have google. "GNU manifesto" still finds it.

www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html. The funniest sentence is the first one:
"... the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so
that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it."

> > To me he is quite a moderate figure
> 
> I'd hate to meet the people you call extreme.

You are a happy individual from a happy country. Some of us were
unfortunate to be bourn in a less friendly environment.

> > (very strong principals and no diplomatic skills at all, but it does not
> > mean he is an extremist).
> 
> I have nothing funny to say here.
> 
> I was going to make a joke about the principals, but that's just low. It's 
> "principle". A "principal" is something totally different.
> 
> Anyway, I'd clearly in need of a drink, as all my "mad debating skillz" 
> are clearly leaving me, and I just find myself making all these silly 
> comments.
> 
> 		Linus

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