Message-ID: <45350F92.7010207@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:14:58 +1000
From:	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>
To:	Martin Bligh <mbligh@...gle.com>
CC:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use min of two prio settings in calculating distress
 for reclaim

Martin Bligh wrote:
>> Distress is a per-zone thing. It is precisely that way because there 
>> *are*
>> different types of reclaim and you don't want a crippled reclaimer (which
>> might indeed be having trouble reclaiming stuff) from saying the system
>> is in distress.
>>
>> If they are the *only* reclaimer, then OK, distress will go up.
> 
> 
> So you'd rather the "crippled" reclaimer went and fire the OOM killer
> and shoot someone instead?

No, so I fixed that.
http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=408d85441cd5a9bd6bc851d677a10c605ed8db5f

> I don't see why we should penalise them,
> especially as the dirty page throttling is global, and will just kick
> pretty much anyone trying to do an allocation. There's nothing magic

How does dirty page throttling kick anyone trying to do an allocation?
It kicks at page dirtying time.

> about the "crippled" reclaimer as you put it. They're doing absolutely
> nothing wrong, or that they should be punished for. They need a page.

When did I say anything about magic or being punished? They need a page
and they will get it when enough memory gets freed. Pages being reclaimed
by process A may be allocated by process B just fine.

>> I don't agree that the thing to aim for is ensuring everyone is able
>> to reclaim something.
>>
>> And why do you ignore the other side of the coin, where now reclaimers
>> that are easily able to make progress are being made to swap stuff out?
> 
> 
> Because I'd rather err on the side of moving a few mapped pages from the
> active to the inactive list than cause massive latencies for a page
> allocation that's dropping into direct reclaim and/or going OOM.

We shouldn't go OOM. And there are latencies everywhere and this won't
fix them. A GFP_NOIO allocator can't swap out pages at all, for example.

>> If the GFP_NOFS reclaimer is having a lot of trouble reclaiming, and so
>> you decide to turn on reclaim_mapped, then it is not suddenly going to
>> be able to free those pages.
> 
> 
> Well it's certainly not going to work if we don't even try. There were
> ZERO pages in the inactive list at this point. The system is totally
> frigging hosed and we're not even trying to reclaim pages because
> we're in deluded-happy-la-la land and we think everything is fine.

So that could be the temp_priority race. If no progress is being made
anywhere, the current logic (minus races) says that prev_prio should
reach 0. Regardless of whether it is GFP_NOFS or whatever.

> This is what happens as we kick down prio levels in one thread:
> 
> priority = 12 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 0 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 12 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 0 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 11 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 10 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 9 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 81 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 8 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 81 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 7 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 6 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 5 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 4 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 3 active_distress = 25 swap_tendency = 106 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 2 active_distress = 50 swap_tendency = 131 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 1 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 81 gfp_mask = d0
> priority = 0 active_distress = 0 swap_tendency = 81 gfp_mask = d0
> 
> Notice that distress is not kicking up as priority kicks down (see
> 1 and 0 at the end). Because some other idiot reset prev_priority
> back to 12.

Fine, so fix that race rather than papering over it by using the min
of prev_priority and current priority.

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SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.
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