linux-kernel - Re: [patch] drivers: wait for threaded probes between initcall levels

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Message-Id: <1162078498.29146.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:34:57 +0100
From:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>
Cc:	Grant Grundler <grundler@...isc-linux.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...l.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@....cx>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...sta.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...l.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@...ey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz
Subject: Re: [patch] drivers: wait for threaded probes between initcall
	levels

Ar Sad, 2006-10-28 am 22:48 +0200, ysgrifennodd Stefan Richter:
> I hear network interfaces can be selected by their MACs, which are
> globally unique and persistent. Most SCSI hardware has globally unique
> and persistent unit properties too, and udev indeed uses them these days.

You hear incorrectly. The MAC address is only required to be *machine
unique*, please see the 802.1/2 specification documents for more detail.
Distinguishing by card MAC is a hack that works on some systems only.

SCSI is also unreliable for serial numbers because of USB, brain-dead
raid controllers and other devices that fake the same ident for many
devices.

There is another ugly too - many driver/library layers "know" that
during boot the code is not re-entered so has no locking. Before you can
go multi-probe you also have to fix all the locking in the drivers that
have boot time specific functionality (eg IDE).

Alan

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