linux-kernel - Re: [ckrm-tech] RFC: Memory Controller

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Message-ID: <454782D2.3040208@in.ibm.com>
Date:	Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:37:30 +0530
From:	Balbir Singh <balbir@...ibm.com>
To:	Paul Menage <menage@...gle.com>
CC:	dev@...nvz.org, vatsa@...ibm.com, sekharan@...ibm.com,
	ckrm-tech@...ts.sourceforge.net, haveblue@...ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, pj@....com, matthltc@...ibm.com,
	dipankar@...ibm.com, rohitseth@...gle.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] RFC: Memory Controller

Paul Menage wrote:
> On 10/30/06, Balbir Singh <balbir@...ibm.com> wrote:
>> You'll also end up with per zone page cache pools for each zone. A list of
>> active/inactive pages per zone (which will split up the global LRU list).
> 
> Yes, these are some of the inefficiencies that we're ironing out.
> 
>> What about the hard-partitioning. If a container/cpuset is not using its full
>> 64MB of a fake node, can some other node use it?
> 
> No. So the granularity at which you can divide up the system depends
> on how big your fake nodes are. For our purposes, we figure that 64MB
> granularity should be fine.
> 

I am still a little concerned about how limit size changes will be implemented.
Will the cpuset "mems" field change to reflect the changed limits?

>> Also, won't you end up
>> with a big zonelist?
> 
> Yes - but PaulJ's recent patch to speed up the zone selection helped
> reduce the overhead of this a lot.

Great! let me find those patches

> 
>> Consider the other side of the story. lets say we have a shared lib shared
>> among quite a few containers. We limit the usage of the inode containing
>> the shared library to 50M. Tasks A and B use some part of the library
>> and cause the container "C" to reach the limit. Container C is charged
>> for all usage of the shared library. Now no other task, irrespective of which
>> container it belongs to, can touch any new pages of the shared library.
> 
> Well, if the pages aren't mlocked then presumably some of the existing
> pages can be flushed out to disk and replaced with other pages.
> 
>> What you are suggesting is to virtually group the inodes by container rather
>> than task. It might make sense in some cases, but not all.
> 
> Right - I think it's an important feature to be able to support, but I
> agree that it's not suitable for all situations.

>> We could consider implementing the controllers in phases
>>
>> 1. RSS control (anon + mapped pages)
>> 2. Page Cache control
> 
> Page cache control is actually more essential that RSS control, in our
> experience - it's pretty easy to track RSS values from userspace, and
> react reasonably quickly to kill things that go over their limit, but
> determining page cache usage (i.e. determining which job on the system
> is flooding the page cache with dirty buffers) is pretty much
> impossible currently.
> 

Hmm... interesting. Why do you think its impossible, what are the kinds of
issues you've run into?


> Paul
> 

-- 

	Balbir Singh,
	Linux Technology Center,
	IBM Software Labs
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