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Date:	Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:30:33 +0800
From:	"zhou drangon" <drangon.mail@...il.com>
To:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: re: [take22 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism.

performance is great, and we are exciting at the result.

I want to know why there can be so much improvement, can we improve epoll too ?

for Kevent, I am more interesting at a universal event machanism.
In one interface, we can wait for timer event, socket event, and disk AIO event,
this can make the userland application easier to handle multiple event.


2006/11/2, Nate Diller <nate.diller@...il.com>:
> On 11/1/06, Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@....mipt.ru> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 06:20:43PM +0000, Oleg Verych (olecom@...wer.upol.cz) wrote:
> > >
> > > Hallo, Evgeniy Polyakov.
> >
> > Hello, Oleg.
> >
> > > On 2006-11-01, you wrote:
> > > []
> > > >> Quantifying "how much more scalable" would be nice, as would be some
> > > >> example where it is useful. ("It makes my webserver twice as fast on
> > > >> monster 64-cpu box").
> > > >
> > > > Trivial kevent web-server can handle 3960+ req/sec on Xeon 2.4Ghz with
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Seriously. I'm seeing that patches also. New, shiny, always ready "for
> > > inclusion". But considering kernel (linux in this case) as not thing
> > > for itself, i want to ask following question.
> > >
> > > Where's real-life application to do configure && make && make install?
> >
> > Your real life or mine as developer?
> > I fortunately do not know anything about your real life, but my real life
> > applications can be found on project's homepage.
> > There is a link to archive there, where you can find plenty of sources.
> > You likely do not know, but it is a bit risky business to patch all
> > existing applications to show that approach is correct, if
> > implementation is not completed.
> > You likely do not know, but after I first time announced kevents in
> > February I changed interfaces 4 times - and it is just interfaces, not
> > including numerous features added/removed by developer's requests.
> >
> > > There were some comments about laking much of such programs, answers were
> > > "was in prev. e-mail", "need to update them", something like that.
> > > "Trivial web server" sources url, mentioned in benchmark isn't pointed
> > > in patch advertisement. If it was, should i actually try that new
> > > *trivial* wheel?
> >
> > Answer is trivial - there is archive where one can find a source code
> > (filenames are posted regulary). Should I create a rpm? For what glibc
> > version?
> >
> > > Saying that, i want to give you some short examples, i know.
> > > *Linux kernel <-> userspace*:
> > > o Alexey Kuznetsov  networking     <-> (excellent) iproute set of utilities;
> >
> > iproute documentation was way too bad when Alexey presented it first
> > time :)
> >
> > > o Maxim Krasnyansky tun net driver <-> vtun daemon application;
> > >
> > > *Glibc with mister Drepper* has huge set of tests, please search for
> > > `tst*' files in the sources.
> >
> > Btw, show me splice() 'shiny' application? Does lighttpd use it?
> > Or move_pages().
> >
> > > To make a little hint to you, Evgeniy, why don't you find a little
> > > animal in the open source zoo to implement little interface to
> > > proposed kernel subsystem and then show it to The Big Jury (not me),
> > > we have here? And i can not see, how you've managed to implement
> > > something like that having almost nothing on the test basket.
> > > Very *suspicious* ch.
> >
> > There are always people who do not like something, what can I do with
> > it? I present the code, we discuss it, I ask for inclusion (since it is
> > the only way to get feedback), something requires changes, it is changed
> > and so on - it is development process.
> > I created 'little animal in the open source zoo' by myself to show how
> > simple kevents are.
> >
> > > One, that comes in mind is lighthttpd <http://www.lighttpd.net/>.
> > > It had sub-interface for event systems like select,poll,epoll, when i
> > > checked its sources last time. And it is mature, btw.
> >
> > As I already told several times, I changed only interfaces 4 times
> > already, since no one seems to know what we really want and how
> > interface should look like.
>
> Indesiciveness has certainly been an issue here, but I remember akpm
> and Ulrich both giving concrete suggestions.  I was particularly
> interested in Andrew's request to explain and justify the differences
> between kevent and BSD's kqueue interface.  Was there a discussion
> that I missed?  I am very interested to see your work on this
> mechanism merged, because you've clearly emphasized performance and
> shown impressive results.  But it seems like we lose out on a lot by
> throwing out all the applications that already use kqueue.
>
> NATE
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