linux-kernel - Re: [patch 9/9] mm: fix pagecache write deadlocks

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Message-ID: <20070204101529.GA22004@wotan.suse.de>
Date:	Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:15:29 +0100
From:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
To:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Filesystems <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 9/9] mm: fix pagecache write deadlocks

On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 01:44:45AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sun,  4 Feb 2007 09:51:07 +0100 (CET) Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de> wrote:
> 
> > 2.  If we find the destination page is non uptodate, unlock it (this could be
> >     made slightly more optimal), then find and pin the source page with
> >     get_user_pages. Relock the destination page and continue with the copy.
> >     However, instead of a usercopy (which might take a fault), copy the data
> >     via the kernel address space.
> 
> argh.  We just can't go adding all this gunk into the write() path. 
> 
> mmap_sem, a full pte-walk, taking of pte-page locks, etc.  For every page. 
> Even single-process write() will suffer, let along multithreaded stuff,
> where mmap_sem contention may be the bigger problem.

The write path is broken. I prefer my kernels slow, than buggy.

As I said, I'm working on a replacement API so that the filesystems
that care, can be correct *and* fast.

> I was going to do some quick measurements of this, but the code oopses
> on power4 (http://userweb.kernel.org/~akpm/s5000402.jpg)

Cool, a kernel thread is calling sys_write. Fun.

I guess I should be able to reproduce this if using initramfs. Thanks.

> There's a build error in filemap_xip.c btw.
> 
> 
> 
> We need to think different.
> 
> What happened to the idea of doing an atomic copy into the non-uptodate
> page and handling it somehow?

That was my second idea. I didn't get any feedback on that patchset
except to try this method, so I assume everyone hated it.

I actually liked it, because it didn't have to do the writev
segment-at-a-time for !uptodate pages like this one does. Considering
this code gets called from mm-less contexts, maybe I'll have to go back
to this approach.

> Another option might be to effectively pin the whole mm during the copy:
> 
> 	down_read(&current->mm->unpaging_lock);
> 	get_user(addr);		/* Fault the page in */
> 	...
> 	copy_from_user()
> 	up_read(&current->mm->unpaging_lock);
> 
> then, anyone who wants to unmap pages from this mm requires
> write_lock(unpaging_lock).  So we know the results of that get_user()
> cannot be undone.

Fugly. Don't know whether there are any lock order problems making it
hard to implement, but you introduce the theoretical memory deadlock
where a task cannot reclaim its own memory.

> Or perhaps something like this can be done on a per-vma basis.  Just
> something to tell the VM "hey, you're not allowed to unmap this page right
> now"?

Same memory deadlock problem.
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