linux-kernel - Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error

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Message-Id: <1170801484.29759.1000.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
Date:	Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:38:04 +0000
From:	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error

On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 08:53 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> WE WANT TO BE NICE.
>  - the firewall example was not an example of 'select', but of the "we 
>    want to be nice". But you simply DID NOT GET IT.

It's a very clever straw man, Linus, but it's still bogus. Not only do I
_agree_ about the firewall example, I've even implemented very similar
things already, of my own accord. I really do get it.

I don't claim that we shouldn't "be nice". You keep coming back to that
but it bears no relation to what I'm actually saying.

>  - the USB and SATA examples are *also* examples of "we want to be nice", 
>    and hell yeah, you need 'select' to do them. Claiming anything else is 
>    just stupid.
>
> So: are you stupid, or do you just refuse to even think about it? 

I claim that there are _better_ ways to do it than 'select'. I claim
that we can 'be nice' without actually screwing over the people who use
non-interactive config methods and need to turn stuff off. A number of
whom have spoken up already but are perhaps less quixotic than I am so
have given up on getting you to listen.

99% of the times I configure a kernel, it's in an RPM package. The
answer "you can use xconfig and press the question mark" isn't
wonderfully useful -- although having xconfig be the answer for those
who need the extra guidance that 'select' currently offers is perhaps a
more reasonable solution.

But it doesn't matter. I'll come up with a hack for the tools which make
them (optionally) treat 'select' of a user-visible option as if it was
just 'depends on'. And that should fix the problem.

-- 
dwmw2

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