linux-kernel - Re: CPU load

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Date:	Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:45:15 +0100
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	malc <av1474@...tv.ru>
Cc:	Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: CPU load

Hi!
> 
> >>>I have (had?) code that 'exploits' this. I believe I could eat 90% of cpu
> >>>without being noticed.
> >>
> >>Slightly changed version of hog(around 3 lines in total changed) does that
> >>easily on 2.6.18.3 on PPC.
> >>
> >>http://www.boblycat.org/~malc/apc/load-hog-ppc.png
> >
> >I guess it's worth mentioning this is _only_ about displaying the cpu 
> >usage to
> >userspace, as the cpu scheduler knows the accounting of each task in
> >different ways. This behaviour can not be used to exploit the cpu scheduler
> >into a starvation situation. Using the discrete per process accounting to
> >accumulate the displayed values to userspace would fix this problem, but
> >would be expensive.
> 
> Guess you are right, but, once again, the problem is not so much about
> fooling the system to do something or other, but confusing the user:
> 
> a. Everything is fine - the load is 0%, the fact that the system is
>    overheating and/or that some processes do not do as much as they
>    could is probably due to the bad hardware.
> 
> b. The weird load pattern must be the result of bugs in my code.
>    (And then a whole lot of time/effort is poured into fixing the
>     problem which is simply not there)
> 
> The current situation ought to be documented. Better yet some flag
> can

It probably _is_ documented, somewhere :-). If you find nice place
where to document it (top manpage?) go ahead with the patch.

> be introduced somewhere in the system so that it exports realy values to
> /proc, not the estimations that are innacurate in some cases (like hog)

Patch would be welcome, but I do not think it will be easy.

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