Message-ID: <20070309010628.GE4506@MAIL.13thfloor.at>
Date:	Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:06:28 +0100
From:	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@...hfloor.at>
To:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Cc:	Matt Helsley <matthltc@...ibm.com>,
	ckrm-tech@...ts.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	xemul@...ru, pj@....com, winget@...gle.com,
	containers@...ts.osdl.org, Paul Menage <menage@...gle.com>,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH 0/2] resource control file system - aka containers on top of nsproxy!

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:44:58PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Matt Helsley <matthltc@...ibm.com> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 16:32 +-1300, Sam Vilain wrote:
> >
> > +ADw-snip+AD4
> >
> > +AD4 Kirill, 06032418:36+-03:
> > +AD4 +AD4 I propose to use +ACI-namespace+ACI naming.
> > +AD4 +AD4 1. This is already used in fs.
> > +AD4 +AD4 2. This is what IMHO suites at least OpenVZ/Eric
> > +AD4 +AD4 3. it has good acronym +ACI-ns+ACI.
> > +AD4 
> > +AD4 Right.  So, now I'll also throw into the mix:
> > +AD4 
> > +AD4   - resource groups (I get a strange feeling of d+AOk-j+AOA v+APo there)
> >
> > +ADw-offtopic+AD4
> > Re: d+AOk-j+AOA v+APo: yes+ACE
> >
> > It's like that Star Trek episode ... except we can't agree on the name
> > of the impossible particle we will invent which solves all our problems.
> > +ADw-/offtopic+AD4
> >
> > At the risk of prolonging the agony I hate to ask: are all of these
> > groupings really concerned with +ACI-resources+ACI?
> >
> > +AD4   - supply chains (think supply and demand)
> > +AD4   - accounting classes
> >
> > CKRM's use of the term +ACI-class+ACI drew negative comments from Paul Jackson
> > and Andrew Morton about this time last year. That led to my suggestion
> > of +ACI-Resource Groups+ACI. Unless they've changed their minds...
> >
> > +AD4 Do any of those sound remotely close?  If not, your turn :)
> >
> > I'll butt in here: task groups? task sets? confuselets? +ADs)
> 
> Generically we can use subsystem now for the individual pieces without
> confusing anyone.
> 
> I really don't much care as long as we don't start redefining
> container as something else.  I think the IBM guys took it from
> solaris originally which seems to define a zone as a set of
> isolated processes (for us all separate namespaces).  And a container
> as a set of as a zone that uses resource control.  Not exactly how
> we have been using the term but close enough not to confuse someone.
> 
> As long as we don't go calling the individual subsystems or the
> process groups they need to function a container I really don't care.
> 
> I just know that if we use container for just the subsystem level
> it makes effective communication impossible, and code reviews
> essentially impossible.  As the description says one thing the
> reviewer reads it as another and then the patch does not match
> the description.  Leading to NAKs.
> 
> Resource groups at least for subset of subsystems that aren't
> namespaces sounds reasonable.  Heck resource group, resource
> controller, resource subsystem, resource just about anything seems
> sane to me.
> 
> The important part is that we find a vocabulary without doubly
> defined words so we can communicate and a small common set we can
> agree on so people can work on and implement the individual
> resource controllers/groups, and get the individual pieces merged
> as they are reading.

from my personal PoV the following would be fine:

 spaces (for the various 'spaces')

  - similar enough to the old namespace
  - can be easily used with prefix/postfix
    like in pid_space, mnt_space, uts_space etc
  - AFAIK, it is not used yet for anything else

 container (for resource accounting/limits)

  - has the 'containment' principle built in :)
  - is used in similar ways in other solutions
  - sounds similar to context (easy to associate)

note: I'm also fine with other names, as long as
we find some useable vocabulary soon, as the
different terms start confusing me on a regular
basis, and we do not go for already used names,
which would clash with Linux-VServer or OpenVZ
terminology (which would confuse the hell out of
the end-users :)

best,
Herbert

> Eric
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