linux-kernel - Re: 2.6.21-rc suspend regression: sysfs deadlock

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0703131708090.2509-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
Date:	Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
To:	Hugh Dickins <hugh@...itas.com>
cc:	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>,
	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.de>,
	Maneesh Soni <maneesh@...ibm.com>, <gregkh@...e.de>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie@...ys.net>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...elEye.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.21-rc suspend regression: sysfs deadlock

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Hugh Dickins wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Alan Stern wrote:
> > 
> > On the other hand, a quick survey of the kernel source shows that
> > DEVICE_ATTR is used over 1500 times.  Auditing all of them is not a job
> > for the faint-of-heart!
> 
> Indeed, and faint-hearted Hugh wasn't intending to do so: but
> stout-hearted Alan will need to, won't he, before his patch can go in?

Allow me to point out that the original patch is Oliver's (although I
helped), and it doesn't need to go in -- it needs not to be removed.

Furthermore, I have better things to do with the next month of my time 
than auditing hundreds of routines I don't understand for behavior I 
probably won't be able to recognize.  (Although at 50 a day... hmmm, 
maybe.)

This sounds more like a job for kernel-janitors!

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:

> I think we could rely on subsystems maintainers to let us know if
> there are potential problems. For example I can tell that neither
> input, serio nor gameport subsystems use sysfs to destroy their  
> devices (action on sysfs may cause some other device to be destroyed
> but that should be ok, only self-destruction is not allowed, right?)

Very good points.  USB doesn't do anything like that either.  And right, 
it's okay for a method to destroy other devices; it just can't do anything 
that would lead to its own unregistration.

Alan Stern

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