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Message-ID: <460D27E3.2050602@gmail.com>
Date:	Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:08:19 +0900
From:	Tejun Heo <htejun@...il.com>
To:	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@...ibm.com>
CC:	gregkh@...e.de, hugh@...itas.com, dmitry.torokhov@...il.com,
	oneukum@...e.de, maneesh@...ibm.com, rpurdie@...ys.net,
	James.Bottomley@...elEye.com, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@...ox.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-ide@...r.kernel.org" <linux-ide@...r.kernel.org>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD driver-core] Lifetime problems of the current driver model

Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:58:39 +0900,
> Tejun Heo <htejun@...il.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's a little bit more convoluted than that.  Module reference count of
>> zero doesn't indicate that there is no one referencing the module.  It
>> just means that the module can be unloaded.  ie. There still can be any
>> number of kobjects with release function backed by the module but as
>> long as all of them can be deleted and released by module exit function,
>> the module is unloadable at that point.
>>
>> IOW, module reference count does not count number of objects depending
>> on the module.  It counts the number of active usages of those objects.
> 
> We must make sure that the module is never deleted while there may be
> calls to ->release functions - the exit function can only return when
> all ->release calls have returned. This can be guaranteed if we (1)
> don't allow the module to unload if there are outstanding kobjects (we
> may need a "self destruct" knob then) or (2) make sure the ->release
> functions are outside of the module (see, for example,
> drivers/s390/s390_rdev.c).

(3) make sure all existing kobjects are released by module exit function.

For example, let's say there is a hypothetical disk device /dev/dk0
driven by a hypothetical driver mydrv.  /dev/dk0 is represented like the
following in the sysfs tree.

/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/dk0/{myknob0,myknob1}

Owner of both attrs myknob0 and myknob1 is mydrv and opening either
increases the reference counts of dk0 and mydrv and closing does the
opposite.

* When there is no opener of either knob and the /dev/dk0 isn't used by
anyone.  Reference count of dk0 is 1, mydrv 0.

* User issues rmmod mydrv.  As mydrv's reference count is zero, unload
proceeds and mydrv's exit function is called.

* mydrv's exit function looks like the following.

  mydrv_exit()
  {
	sysfs_remove_file(dk0, myknob0);
	sysfs_remove_file(dk1, myknob1);
	device_del(dk0);
	deinit controller;
	release all resources;
  }

The device_del(dk0) drops dk0's reference count to zero and its
->release is invoked immediately.

This method is widely used to allow modules to be unloaded even when
there still are valid objects if there's no active user.

> (Gah, that stuff is always giving me headaches. Sorry if I'm not making
> sense...)

Yeap, this is confusing.  Hope my explanation makes sense.

-- 
tejun
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