linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: Switch to SPARSE

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704020851300.30394@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
Date:	Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>
To:	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>
cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@...gle.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: Switch to SPARSE_VIRTUAL

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Andi Kleen wrote:

> > Correct. 2MB worth of struct page is 128 mb of memory. Are there nodes 
> > with smaller amounts of memory? 
> 
> Yes the discontigmem minimum is 64MB and there are some setups
> (mostly with numa emulation) where you end up with nodes that small.

Ok. Then I guess we cannot remove discontigmem.
 
> BTW there is no guarantee the node size is a multiple of 128MB so
> you likely need to handle the overlap case. Otherwise we can 
> get cache corruptions

How does sparsemem handle that?

> Sparsemem is still quite experimental; discontigmem is the default
> on x86-64.

Ok more fodder for preserving the choice.

> > > Do you have any benchmarks numbers to prove it? There seem to be a few
> > > benchmarks where the discontig virt_to_page is a problem
> > > (although I know ways to make it more efficient), and sparsemem
> > > is normally slower. Still some numbers would be good.
> > 
> > You want a benchmark to prove that the removal of memory references and 
> > code improves performance?
> 
> You're just moving them into MMU, not really removing it.  And need more TLB entries.

No no no. For the gazillions time: All of 1-1 mapped kernel memory on 
x86_64 needs a 2 MB page table entry. The virtual memmap uses the same. 
There are *no* additional TLBs used.

> It might be faster or it might not. There are some unexpected issues, like most x86-64 
> CPUs have a quite small number of large TLBs so you can get thrashing etc.
> 
> So numbers with TLB intensive workloads would be good. 

You did not read the descriptions. Sigh.

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