linux-kernel - Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]

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Message-ID: <20070417231949.GQ11115@waste.org>
Date:	Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:19:49 -0500
From:	Matt Mackall <mpm@...enic.com>
To:	Peter Williams <pwil3058@...pond.net.au>
Cc:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@...omorphy.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	ck list <ck@....kolivas.org>,
	Bill Huey <billh@...ppy.monkey.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 09:23:42AM +1000, Peter Williams wrote:
> Matt Mackall wrote:
> >On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:01:55AM +0200, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >>On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:26:21PM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:09:55PM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> >>>>>All things are not equal; they all have different properties. I like
> >>>On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 08:15:03AM +0200, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >>>>Exactly. So we have to explore those properties and evaluate performance
> >>>>(in all meanings of the word). That's only logical.
> >>>Any chance you'd be willing to put down a few thoughts on what sorts
> >>>of standards you'd like to set for both correctness (i.e. the bare
> >>>minimum a scheduler implementation must do to be considered valid
> >>>beyond not oopsing) and performance metrics (i.e. things that produce
> >>>numbers for each scheduler you can compare to say "this scheduler is
> >>>better than this other scheduler at this.").
> >>Yeah I guess that's the hard part :)
> >>
> >>For correctness, I guess fairness is an easy one. I think that unfairness
> >>is basically a bug and that it would be very unfortunate to merge 
> >>something
> >>unfair. But this is just within the context of a single runqueue... for
> >>better or worse, we allow some unfairness in multiprocessors for 
> >>performance
> >>reasons of course.
> >
> >I'm a big fan of fairness, but I think it's a bit early to declare it
> >a mandatory feature. Bounded unfairness is probably something we can
> >agree on, ie "if we decide to be unfair, no process suffers more than
> >a factor of x".
> > 
> >>Latency. Given N tasks in the system, an arbitrary task should get
> >>onto the CPU in a bounded amount of time (excluding events like freak
> >>IRQ holdoffs and such, obviously -- ie. just considering the context
> >>of the scheduler's state machine).
> >
> >This is a slightly stronger statement than starvation-free (which is
> >obviously mandatory). I think you're looking for something like
> >"worst-case scheduling latency is proportional to the number of
> >runnable tasks".
> 
> add "taking into consideration nice and/or real time priorities of 
> runnable tasks".  I.e. if a task is nice 19 it can expect to wait longer 
> to get onto the CPU than if it was nice 0.

Yes. Assuming we meet the "bounded unfairness" criterion above, this
follows.

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