linux-kernel - Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:29:04 -0700
From:	William Lee Irwin III <wli@...omorphy.com>
To:	Matt Mackall <mpm@...enic.com>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@...ilserver.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Peter Williams <pwil3058@...pond.net.au>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>, ck list <ck@....kolivas.org>,
	Bill Huey <billh@...ppy.monkey.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:07:49AM -0400, James Bruce wrote:
>>> Nonlinear is a must IMO.  I would suggest X = exp(ln(10)/10) ~= 1.2589
>>> That value has the property that a nice=10 task gets 1/10th the cpu of a
>>> nice=0 task, and a nice=20 task gets 1/100 of nice=0.  I think that
>>> would be fairly easy to explain to admins and users so that they can
>>> know what to expect from nicing tasks.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 03:59:02PM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
>> I'm not likely to write the testcase until this upcoming weekend, though.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 05:57:23PM -0500, Matt Mackall wrote:
> So that means there's a 10000:1 ratio between nice 20 and nice -19. In
> that sort of dynamic range, you're likely to have non-trivial
> numerical accuracy issues in integer/fixed-point math.
> (Especially if your clock is jiffies-scale, which a significant number
> of machines will continue to be.)
> I really think if we want to have vastly different ratios, we probably
> want to be looking at BATCH and RT scheduling classes instead.

100**(1/39.0) ~= 1.12534 may do if so, but it seems a little weak, and
even 1000**(1/39.0) ~= 1.19378 still seems weak.

I suspect that in order to get low nice numbers strong enough without
making high nice numbers too strong something sub-exponential may need
to be used. Maybe just picking percentages outright as opposed to some
particular function.

We may also be better off defining it in terms of a share weighting as
opposed to two tasks in competition. In such a manner the extension to
N tasks is more automatic. f(n) would be a univariate function of nice
numbers and two tasks in competition with nice numbers n_1 and n_2
would get shares f(n_1)/(f(n_1)+f(n_2)) and f(n_2)/(f(n_1)+f(n_2)). In
the exponential case f(n) = K*e**(r*n) this ends up as
1/(1+e**(r*(n_2-n_1))) which is indeed a function of n_1-n_2 but for
other choices it's not so. f(n) = n+K for K >= 20 results in a share
weighting of (n_1+K,n_2+K)/(n_1+n_2+2*K), which is not entirely clear
in its impact. My guess is that f(n)=1/(n+1) when n >= 0 and f(n)=1-n
when n <= 0 is highly plausible. An exponent or an additive constant
may be worthwhile to throw in. In this case, f(-19) = 20, f(20) = 1/21,
and the ratio of shares is 420, which is still arithmeticaly feasible.
-10 vs. 0 and 0 vs. 10 are both 10:1.


-- wli
-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/