linux-kernel - Re: AppArmor FAQ

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Message-Id: <1177003671.27654.133.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>
Date:	Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:27:51 -0400
From:	Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>
To:	David Lang <david.lang@...italinsight.com>
Cc:	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: AppArmor FAQ

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 13:15 -0700, David Lang wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, James Morris wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure if AppArmor can be made good security for the general case,
> >> but it is a model that works in the limited http environment
> >> (eg .htaccess) and is something people can play with and hack on and may
> >> be possible to configure to be very secure.
> >
> > Perhaps -- until your httpd is compromised via a buffer overflow or
> > simply misbehaves due to a software or configuration flaw, then the
> > assumptions being made about its use of pathnames and their security
> > properties are out the window.
> 
> since AA defines a whitelist of files that httpd is allowed to access, a 
> comprimised one may be able to mess up it's files, but it's still not going to 
> be able to touch other files on the system.
> 
> > Without security labeling of the objects being accessed, you can't protect
> > against software flaws, which has been a pretty fundamental and widely
> > understood requirement in general computing for at least a decade.
> 
> this is not true. you don't need to label all object and chunks of memory, you 
> just need to have a way to list (and enforce) the objects and memory that the 
> program is allowed to use. labeling them is one way of doing this, but not the 
> only way.

You need a way of providing global and persistent security guarantees
for the data, and per-program profiles based on pathname don't get you
there.  There is no system view in AA, just a bunch of disconnected
profiles.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency

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