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Date:	Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:14:06 +0100
From:	mel@...net.ie (Mel Gorman)
To:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>,
	Paul Jackson <pj@....com>, Dave Chinner <dgc@....com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/8] Variable Order Page Cache

On (19/04/07 09:35), Christoph Lameter didst pronounce:
> Variable Order Page Cache Patchset
> 
> This patchset modifies the core VM so that higher order page cache pages
> become possible. The higher order page cache pages are compound pages
> and can be handled in the same way as regular pages.
> 
> The order of the pages is determined by the order set up in the mapping
> (struct address_space). By default the order is set to zero.
> This means that higher order pages are optional. There is no attempt here
> to generally change the page order of the page cache. 4K pages are effective
> for small files.
> 
> However, it would be good if the VM would support I/O to higher order pages
> to enable efficient support for large scale I/O. If one wants to write a
> long file of a few gigabytes then the filesystem should have a choice of
> selecting a larger page size for that file and handle larger chunks of
> memory at once.
> 

Interesting stuff. It seems promising.

> The support here is only for buffered I/O and only for one filesystem (ramfs).
> Modification of other filesystems to support higher order pages may require
> extensive work of other components of the kernel. But I hope this shows that
> there is a relatively easy way to that goal that could be taken in steps..
> 

And having ramfs even remotely aware of compound pages is a step in the
direction of collaping hugetlbfs and ramfs into being two sides of the
same coin. I haven't thought about it much but it seems plausible.

> Note that the higher order pages are subject to reclaim. This works in general
> since we are always operating on a single page struct. Reclaim is fooled to
> think that it is touching page sized objects (there are likely issues to be
> fixed there if we want to go down this road).
> 

I believe there is an assumption in parts of reclaim that LRU pages are
order-0. An interesting bug or two is likely to rear its head there.

> What is currently not supported:
> - Buffer heads for higher order pages (possible with the compound pages in mm
>   that do not use page->private requires upgrade of the buffer cache layers).
> - Higher order pages in the block layer etc.
> - Mmapping higher order pages
> 
> Note that this is proof-of-concept. Lots of functionality is missing and
> various issues have not been dealt with. Use of higher order pages may cause
> memory fragmentation. Mel Gorman's anti-fragmentation work is probably
> essential if we want to do this. We likely need actual defragmentation
> support.
> 

Ok, anti-fragmentation will help up to a point but it's awkward with ramfs
because those pages are not reclaimable or migratable no matter what the
order. Normal filesystems would fare much better fragmentation-wise.

The problem is that the mapping gfp_mask is normally GFP_HIGH_MOVABLE but it's
GFP_HIGHUSER for ramfs. This patchset will increase the number of non-movable
high-order allocations quite considerably and it will tend to fragment memory
worse than we do currently. I can think of ways it can be dealt with 
(even marking them RECLAIMABLE would help) so I'm not massively worried
now but I'll keep it in mind as things develop.

> The main point of this patchset is to demonstrates that it is basically
> possible to have higher order support with straightforward changes to the
> VM.
> 
> The ramfs driver can be used to test higher order page cache functionality
> (and may help troubleshoot the VM support until we get some real filesystem
> and real devices supporting higher order pages).
> 
> If you apply this patch and then you can f.e. try this:
> 
> mount -tramfs -o10 none /media
> 
> 	Mounts a ramfs filesystem with order 10 pages (4 MB)
> 
> cp linux-2.6.21-rc7.tar.gz /media
> 
> 	Populate the ramfs. Note that we allocate 14 pages of 4M each
> 	instead of 13508..
> 
> umount /media
> 
> 	Gets rid of the large pages again
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
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University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab
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