linux-kernel - Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy)

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Message-ID: <4630F7A6.3080609@tmr.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:04:06 -0400
From:	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>
To:	Matt Mackall <mpm@...enic.com>
CC:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@...el.suspend2.net>,
	Christian Hesse <mail@...thworm.de>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>, Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>,
	suspend2-devel@...ts.suspend2.net,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2:
 hang in atomic copy)

Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 11:29:56PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
>> We do not want to fragment the testing base, and suspend2 does not
>> really have any interesting features over uswsusp.
> 
> The testing base is already fragmented!
> 
> What the current situation means is that you simply never hear from
> the people who get fed up with suspend but who manage to get suspend2
> working.
> 
I have to feel that having a *working resume* capability is "any 
interesting features" enough. What you say about "simply never hear 
from" is unfortunately true.

On 04/25/2007 05:30 PM EDT, Pavel Machek wrote:

 >It is not Rafael's fault. Actually it is quite hard to work with
 >Nigel, because he implements every feature someone asks for, and wants
 >to merge them all  :-( . I don't expect to ever agree with Nigel on
 >anything important, sorry.

The fact that Pavel thinks giving the users what they want is a problem 
certainly defines the difference between them, the populist "give them 
what they want" and the elitist "let's them make do with what I think 
they should have."

I do respect Pavel for all the stuff he has done and is doing, I wish I 
could have found a nicer way to say that.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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