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Message-Id: <200704271436.27353.Martin@lichtvoll.de>
Date:	Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:36:26 +0200
From:	Martin Steigerwald <Martin@...htvoll.de>
To:	suspend2-devel@...ts.suspend2.net
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...sta.de>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: suspend2 merge

Am Mittwoch 25 April 2007 schrieb Linus Torvalds:

> And that's a *fundamental* problem. If the STD people cannot even
> realize that they have less to do with "suspend" than to "reboot", how
> do you ever expect them to get anything to work, and not affect other
> things negatively?
>
> Yeah, I'm down on it. I'm down on it because every person involved with
> the whole STD thing seems to have basically zero taste, and a total
> inability to work with anybody else.

Hello Linus!

I am no kernel developer. But I understand what you are trying to tell 
here.

I agree that suspend to ram and snapshot should be handled differently by 
drivers. And unlike schedulers - whether it be I/O or process related 
ones - I think it should be quite easy to settle and decide on *one* 
implementation for each feature. It least it doesn't look as difficult as 
deciding on a scheduler which works for all the different workloads to 
me.

I do not believe that the reasons preventing this to happen until now are 
of pure technical nature.

I think snapshotting is a very important feature. I would patch it into my 
kernels if it was removed. But then I am using suspend2 anyway.

Regards,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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