linux-kernel - Re: Linux 2.6.21

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0704300948141.13031@qynat.qvtvafvgr.pbz>
Date:	Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
From:	David Lang <david.lang@...italinsight.com>
To:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>
cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...sta.de>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@...il.com>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.21

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 03:15:42PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> This means we need people who figure out who to assign bugs too.
>> Aka bugmasters.
>>
>> BTW one big problem in our current bugzilla is that a lot of people
>> cannot reassign bugs they don't own. I sometimes see bugs that I don't
>> own bug I know who is responsible, but bugzilla doesn't allow me to do it.
>>
>> So I think what would help:
>>
>> - Ask more people to just categorize and reassign bugs (anybody interested?)
>> - Give more people in bugzilla the power to reassign arbitary bugs
>> (bugzilla maintainers would need to do that)
>
> Folks might want to take a look at the Debian Bug Tracking System
> (BTS).  It has a web interface which you can use to query history, but
> *everything* is e-mail driven, and the way you submit, close, update,
> tag/classfy bugs --- everything --- is via e-mail.
>
> More importantly, anyone is allowed to recategorize and reassign bugs.
> If someone does so maliciously or incorrectly, you can always revert
> it, and if someone is being truly malicious, you can always blacklist
> that one person.  It this respect, it is far more wiki-like than
> bugzilla, which has always been too much like a straightjacket.
>
> It's not perfect, but it's better than bugzilla --- but then again,
> just about *anything* would be better than bugzilla.  (Hmm, except
> maybe SourceForge's very tragic bug tracking system... :-)
>
> Of course, as Linus has said, it's not a complete solution --- you
> still need humans to be smart about things --- but if the goal is to
> make it easier to archive and track information about a bug, at
> *least* with the Debian BTS, when you reply to an e-mail message, the
> reply is automatically appended to the bug log!

this, and the fact that anyone can add to the bug log by just sending an e-mail 
are a nice feature

however, I had a reason to take a look at the debian BTS late last week to see 
if the bugs and patch that I sent to the sysklog maintainer (both debian and 
upstream) got included in debian 4.0.

talk about depressing.

there are about a dozen bugs _with_ patches sitting in the queue for several 
years

David Lang
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