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Message-ID: <464AFD61.10209@seclark.us>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:47:29 -0400
From: Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@...lark.us>
To: Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>
CC: Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>, Tejun Heo <htejun@...il.com>,
Francesco Pretto <ceztko@...il.com>,
Phillip Susi <psusi@....rr.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Weird hard disk noise on shutdown (bug #7674)
Rob Landley wrote:
>On Tuesday 15 May 2007 5:08 pm, Dave Jones wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 07:32:43PM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> > Francesco Pretto wrote:
>> > > 2007/5/4, Tejun Heo <htejun@...il.com>:
>> > >> Yeap, the third iteration of the patch just got submitted.
>> > >>
>> > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ide/18485
>> > >>
>> > >> Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an easy way out. We'll need
>> > >> userland shutdown(8) update.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> tejun
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Ok, i can't understand if the patch will be included in 2.6.22 (i
>> > > didn't see it in the Andrew Morton merge plan). However, if you can
>> > > confirm the inclusion, i can send bug reports for ubuntu and gentoo. I
>> > > can even send an email to Miquel van Smoorenburg, who should be the
>> > > mainstream sysvinit developer (and probably the last maintainer).
>> >
>> > Okay, the patch made upstream and webpage posted.
>> >
>> > http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html
>>
>>There's a typo..
>>
>>"Check whether /sys/modules/libata/parameters/spindown_compat exists. If it
>>
>>
>does, write 0 to it."
>
>
>>should be /sys/module/libata/parameters/spindown_compat
>>
>>(no 's' after module)
>>
>>
>
>Um, hang on. So libata can't reliably turn the system off without data loss
>and potential damage to hardware unless userspace goes through a special song
>and dance? And this is _not_ considered a defect in the kernel?
>
>Why?
>
>(Is there any other piece of hardware that needs userspace to quiesce it just
>so the _off_switch_ can take effect? Yes, I read both the gmane thread and
>the linux-ata.org link. I used to maintain the busybox halt/reboot/poweroff
>commands, although I don't anymore. That just called reboot(), and this
>worked.)
>
>Why on _earth_ does complicating software suspend add extra requirements to
>actual shutdown? Since when does the shutdown command have to enumerate
>attached block devices? If anything this would belong in umount -a, but that
>doesn't care about the hardware of the underlying block devices and
>SHOULDN'T...
>
>I'm confused. Could someone please explain?
>
>Rob
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I agree. This didn't happen when I was just using the ide driver, why
can't libata work as well
as the old ide driver.
My $.02
Steve
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