Message-Id: <200705270016.30716.uwe.bugla@gmx.de>
Date:	Sun, 27 May 2007 00:16:30 +0200
From:	Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla@....de>
To:	Dan Williams <dcbw@...hat.com>
Cc:	Michael Buesch <mb@...sch.de>,
	Larry Finger <larry.finger@...inger.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Maximilian Engelhardt <maxi@...monizer.de>,
	linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: BUG in 2.6.22-rc2-mm1: NIC module b44.c broken (Broadcom 4400)

Am Samstag, 26. Mai 2007 23:52 schrieben Sie:
> On Sat, 2007-05-26 at 23:32 +0200, Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 26. Mai 2007 21:49 schrieben Sie:
> > > On Saturday 26 May 2007 21:39:54 Uwe Bugla wrote:
> > > > Am Samstag, 26. Mai 2007 21:19 schrieben Sie:
> > > > > Uwe, please try the following patch:
> > > > >
> > > > > Index: bu3sch-wireless-dev/drivers/net/b44.c
> > > > > ===================================================================
> > > > > --- bu3sch-wireless-dev.orig/drivers/net/b44.c	2007-05-18
> > > > > 18:09:50.000000000 +0200 +++
> > > > > bu3sch-wireless-dev/drivers/net/b44.c	2007-05-26 21:18:28.000000000
> > > > > +0200 @@ -2201,10 +2201,12 @@ static int __devinit
> > > > > b44_init_one(struct printk("%2.2x%c", dev->dev_addr[i],
> > > > >  		       i == 5 ? '\n' : ':');
> > > > >
> > > > > +#if 0
> > > > >  	/* Initialize phy */
> > > > >  	spin_lock_irq(&bp->lock);
> > > > >  	b44_chip_reset(bp);
> > > > >  	spin_unlock_irq(&bp->lock);
> > > > > +#endif
> > > > >
> > > > >  	return 0;
> > > >
> > > > Against what kernel please?
> > > > Just try to be a bit more eloquent, man!
> > >
> > > Against a kernel which does not work for you, of course.
> > >
> > > Sometimes I wonder... (no better not say that).
> >
> > YES! And I wonder TOO, definitely!
> >
> > Quand meme (now, if you do not speak french: Above all that), I applied
> > your patch against 2.6.22-rc2-mm1. Just to show my cooperation willing to
> > get your "dream" being fulfilled!
> >
> > Result is: No change!
> > Non-functionable b44-device at all!
> >
> > Hint: Although being a "non-hacker" or "non-developer" I do have stepped
> > across some experienced developer people who at least added some code to
> > make their modules function in the following way:
> >
> > modprobe xyz debug=1 (or debug=2 or debug=3 or debug=4 or debug=5 or
> > debug=6)
> >
> > In so far, if you continue to state that debugging is nothing but
> > guessing around wildly you are definitely wrong, showing us all your
> > missing code hacker experience. If you DO continue like this every step
> > will be a torture not only for me but for the reading folks as well.
> >
> > But every human being is here to learn and develop: In so far I am very
> > optimistic!
> >
> > Apart from the Kconfig chaos that seems to be subordinate in your
> > personal rating scale, you at least could have added some functions like
> > the above mentioned functions.
> >
> > The fact that you simply ignored to imply those functions and continue to
> > call other people dumb shows exactly how small and humble you are.
> >
> > Apart from that:
> > The message that you rooted to my place was no "proof" at all for any
> > kind of disfunctionality or compatibility issue!
> >
> > In that message the lack of performance of the "enclosed" or "old"
> > or "complete" b44 module (i. e. PCI-only module) was criticised, NOT the
> > one ripped by you personally into two modules called b44 and ssb.
> >
> > In so far I would deeply appreciate you personally to stick to the facts
> > in your personal lack of knowledge about the b44 driver instead of
> > playing bad politics against other people like me and others.
> >
> >
> > Hello my dear Andrew Morton,
> >
> > Could you please do me and the rest of the world two favours?
> >
> > A. Rip Michael Buesches code out of the mm-tree
> >
> > B. Give Michael Buesch a fair chance to revise his disfunctionable code
> > outside the mm-tree and / or the vanilla mainline.
> >
> > Side note for the what and why:
> >
> > I like to help avoid dangers by testing the mm-tree.
> > BUT:
> >
> > If real debugging conforms to nothing but guessing around wildly let me
> > tell you that I do not appreciate to be part of that torture due to the
> > lack of experience of some German spare time hacker.
> >
> > A: proven by facts not knowing or even wanting to know how to imply
> > appropriate functionable debug parametres in his driver code
> >
> > B: non-cooperative as far as Kconfig help features are concerned (i. E.
> > help to understand the issues for users
> >
> > C: calling all people simply dumb who do not know about his personal
> > issues at all
> >
> > Thank you, Andrew Morton! You are real fine!
>
> Everyone just needs to cool down.  And you both (Uwe and Michael) just
> need to try debugging the problem.
>
> Abstracting the SSB code into a library is clearly the correct solution,
> rather than having the same code in two separate places.  The whole
> _point_ of having code in various trees (wireless, mm, etc) is to find
> these bugs before the patches hit mainline.  Even testing on > 3
> machines may not uncover subtle bugs (for example, different behavior on
> different silicon revisions, especially in reverse-engineered parts),
> it's only something Michael can test so far before other people have to
> pick it up and test it.  And that's where you come in, Uwe.
>
> So both of you should actually just stop the name-calling, suck it up,
> and debug the problem.  We're getting nothing done here.
>
> Dan

Yeah, Danny!
But if someone's simply ignoring to apply debug functions into his module code 
and thus reducing the essence of debugging to wild guessing around, 
transforming the whole testing situation into a torture / and  / or disaster 
then I am inclined to call exactly this someone to be nothing but a looser, 
not only on the human layer, but also on the technical layer.

And that's exactly the reason why I want his stuff to be ripped out of 
mm-tree.

Sincerely

Uwe

P. S.: Never DO show a humble and unexperienced Linux hacker that his 
experience is utmost limited! But if you do you earn nothing but the output 
of utmost primitive "Godzilla" drives (i. e. being flamed for example).

I. E.:
A. Not all linux developers are proven to be asocial ape-instinct-limited 
people (I do know a very long exception list and that's why I take part in 
that), but some of them are, proven by facts!

B. The "Godzillas" are not limited to people living in Germany, but instead 
they are in fact everywhere, as the capitalist bullshit system produces them 
like gnomes on an assembly line!

>
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Uwe
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