linux-kernel - Re: [patch 7/8] fdmap v2

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Message-ID: <18027.40637.672203.14305@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
Date:	Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:48:29 +1000
From:	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>
To:	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@....com>
Cc:	Davide Libenzi <davidel@...ilserver.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@...hat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@...mosbay.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch 7/8] fdmap v2 - implement sys_socket2

Kyle Moffett writes:

> 1)  Linear FD allocation makes it IMPOSSIBLE for libraries to  
> reliably use persistent FDs behind an application's back.  For  

That's not completely true; for example, openlog() opens a file
descriptor for the library's own use, as does sethostent().  I agree
that it creates difficulties if the library implementor wants to use a
file descriptor in a set of functions that didn't previously use one,
but with a bit of assistance from the kernel, that can be solved
without breaking the ABI.

> for (i = 0; i < NR_OPEN; i++)
> 	if (!fd_is_special_to_us(i))
> 		close(i);
> 
> Note that this is conceptually buggy, but occurs in several major C  
> programming books, most of the major shells, and a lot of other  
> software to boot.

Buggy in what way?  In the use of the NR_OPEN constant?

> 3) In order to allocate new FDs, the kernel has to scan over a  
> (potentially very large) bitmap.  A process with 100,000 fds (not  
> terribly uncommon) would have 12.5kbyte of FD bitmap and would trash  
> the cache every time it tried to allocate an FD.

For specialized programs like that we can offer alternative fd
allocation strategies if necessary (although I expect that with
100,000 fds other things will limit performance more than
allocation).

None of those things is an excuse for breaking the ABI, however.
As I said to Davide, I was really protesting about the attitude that
we can just break the ABI however and whenever we like and force
programs to adapt.

Paul.
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