linux-kernel - Re: ext2 on flash memory

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-Id: <200706112127.42119.juergen127@kreuzholzen.de>
Date:	Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:27:41 +0200
From:	Juergen Beisert <juergen127@...uzholzen.de>
To:	DervishD <lkml@...vishd.net>,
	Linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ext2 on flash memory

On Monday 11 June 2007 19:42, DervishD wrote:
>     I just was curious about the issue and I was asking to know if
> anybody had tried this.

Think about compact flash devices. They also using some kind of flash memory 
and also doing wear leveling. And I think they are not only used with 
FAT16/32! If they run with different filesystems, then your pendrive stick 
will also. Only the interface is different.

> I know about cheap pendrives that you cannot format even with FAT32, only
> with FAT16.

I'm not sure if the price was the reason that they failed with different 
filesystems. Some kind of wear leveling tries to guess which blocks of the 
filesystem are in use and which are unused (to avoid wear leveling of unused 
data).
But it only works if you are using a filesystem that is "known" by the wear 
leveling process. If you are using a different one, it fails badly, because 
it tries to interpret a FAT that does not exists, and destroys your 
filesystem while the wear leveling process is running. So this cheap pendrive 
was too intelligent for filesystems other than FAT16....

So if you can use a different filesystem than FAT16/32 on your pendrive, it 
does not matter what kind of filesystem you are using. The wear leveling 
process has no clue about it and always "wear leveling" used *and* unused 
data (means: every block of the whole disk) until it ruins the flash memory.

Hope it helps
Juergen
-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/