linux-kernel - Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

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Message-ID: <161717d50706141433s258332efqeba60d9146be3193@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:34 -0400
From:	"Dave Neuer" <mr.fred.smoothie@...ox.com>
To:	"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>
Cc:	"Lennart Sorensen" <lsorense@...lub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	"Alexandre Oliva" <aoliva@...hat.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Greg KH" <greg@...ah.com>,
	"debian developer" <debiandev@...il.com>,
	"david@...g.hm" <david@...g.hm>,
	"Tarkan Erimer" <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, mingo@...e.hu
Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

On 6/14/07, Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com> wrote:
> On 6/14/07, Dave Neuer <mr.fred.smoothie@...ox.com> wrote:
> > On 6/14/07, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@...lub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> > > Nothing prevents you from taking tivos kernel
> > > changes and building your own hardware to run that code on, and as such
> > > the spirit of the GPL v2 seems fulfilled.
> >
> > Oh, come on: you're not serious, right? Something indeed prevents me
> > -- the fact that I'm not a hardware manufacturer, I don't have fabs,
> > outsource vendors to provide me w/ designs, ASICs, etc. Nor to I have
> > the money to pay one-off prices for various components if they're even
> > available in batches that small.
> >
>
> So your objection here is that one needs additional resources to do
> excersise their rights. Well, what about spending time and money to
> get education to be able to do programming work?

Come on, again w/ the bullshit. TiVO does not try to prevent me from
getting a CS degree, or buying a C reference. They _do_ prevent me
from running modified code on my TiVO box.

> Being able to
> understand C and hardware, etc is also an additional restriction
> imposed on an average person.

Not imposed by TiVO.

> Do you advocate that every copy of GPL
> program should be accompanied with an engineer who would explain how
> it all works?

No, just that hardware vendors not lock me out of _my_ hardware if
they've benefitted from code which was intended to be modifiable by
end users.

Dave
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