linux-kernel - Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

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Message-Id: <200706182331.19571.hjk@linutronix.de>
Date:	Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:31:19 +0200
From:	Hans-Jürgen Koch <hjk@...utronix.de>
To:	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@...hat.com>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>, david@...g.hm,
	Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...tel.com>,
	Bernd Schmidt <bernds_cb1@...nline.de>,
	Robin Getz <rgetz@...ckfin.uclinux.org>,
	Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>,
	Bron Gondwana <brong@...tmail.fm>,
	Al Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

Am Montag 18 Juni 2007 23:18 schrieb Alexandre Oliva:
> On Jun 18, 2007, Hans-Jürgen Koch <hjk@...utronix.de> wrote:
> 
> >> Vendor would be entitled to the benefit of the doubt as to the
> >> motivations in this case, so it would likely be unenforceable anyway.
> 
> > Right. If GPL v3 comes out, there'll probably be a new task for
> > hardware development engineers: How to find excuses for hardware that
> > prevents software modifications and how to conceal the true intent.
> 
> Yup.  And then GPLv4 will have to plug whatever holes they find to
> disrespect users' freedoms.  That's how I expect the game to be
> played.
>

If you were right and it turned out that way, the whole GPL would
become so ridiculous that it won't have any of its intended effects.
GPLv17 would contain so many #ifdefs that it'll simply not be readable
or understandable anymore. 

As far as the kernel is concerned, I expect the game's played by
simply keeping GPLv2. And I like it that way.

Hans

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