linux-kernel - Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

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Message-Id: <200706200008.35152.hjk@linutronix.de>
Date:	Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:08:34 +0200
From:	Hans-Jürgen Koch <hjk@...utronix.de>
To:	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@...hat.com>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>, david@...g.hm,
	Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...tel.com>,
	Bernd Schmidt <bernds_cb1@...nline.de>,
	Robin Getz <rgetz@...ckfin.uclinux.org>,
	Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>,
	Bron Gondwana <brong@...tmail.fm>,
	Al Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

Am Dienstag 19 Juni 2007 20:32 schrieb Alexandre Oliva:
> On Jun 19, 2007, Hans-Jürgen Koch <hjk@...utronix.de> wrote:
> 
> > Am Dienstag 19 Juni 2007 04:46 schrieb Alexandre Oliva:
> >> The distrust for the FSF led to this very short-sighted decision of
> >> painting the Linux community into a corner from which it is very
> >> unlikely to be able to ever leave, no matter how badly it turns out to
> >> be needed.  
> 
> > I'm neither in a corner nor do I feel the need for a different license.
> 
> Yes.  Some day you may.  And then what will you or anyone else be able
> to do about it?

A lot of awful things could happen to you or me _tomorrow_. Are you prepared
for everything? I'm not. If I'd try to be prepared for every possible 
disaster, you'd rightly call me mentally ill.

Even if my code is used on a Tivo-like device, I can sleep well and don't
need a different license. These are the _normal_ grey areas that _every_
license or law contains. 

> 
> >> Let's just hope it never is, or that some influx of 
> >> long-sighted comes in 
> 
> > Kernel programmers are short-sighted? What kind of arrogance is that?
> 
> It's just stating the obvious.  The upgrade path is a nightmare.

Well, maybe. Maybe this is a topic that needs further discussion.
But I don't find it very important as we're not in a situation where
we urgently need a new license.

[...]

Hans



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