linux-kernel - Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

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Message-ID: <orzm2vy12t.fsf@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
Date:	Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:18 -0300
From:	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@...hat.com>
To:	david@...g.hm
Cc:	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>,
	Bernd Schmidt <bernds_cb1@...nline.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>,
	Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

On Jun 19, 2007, david@...g.hm wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
>> You're losing all that.

> based on the knowledge shown by these users you aren't loosing much.

Remember, the sample is biased, the hackers who'd like to hack it are
less likely to buy it, and some might be only making private changes
to avoid legal hassles.

And then, it doesn't have to be all that much.  Since you're talking
specifically about TiVo customers, how much has TiVo effectly
contributed in terms of code?  (It was pointed out before, I know, but
it's important to keep this in perspective, lest people lose sight of
what's at stake)

> remember, not all tivo models are locked down,

Only the earliest that you can't find for sale any more, right?

> as a result of watching the hacker groups I can safely say that the
> lockdown has not blocked many users. it has slowed modification of the
> hacks to new types of hardware, but not for very long.

Well, then...  What's the point *for* tivoization, again?  To slow
down the contributions?  And that's good because...?

> in the case of Tivo, there are many public boards that talk about
> hacking tivos, and tivo employees login and contribute to them.

Nice!


Thanks for the info, this was very enlightening.

-- 
Alexandre Oliva         http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/
FSF Latin America Board Member         http://www.fsfla.org/
Red Hat Compiler Engineer   aoliva@...dhat.com, gcc.gnu.org}
Free Software Evangelist  oliva@...d.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org}
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