linux-kernel - Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching

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Message-ID: <467DBD8B.1010900@nttdata.co.jp>
Date:	Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:40:43 +0900
From:	Toshiharu Harada <haradats@...data.co.jp>
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CC:	Chris Wright <chrisw@...s-sol.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>,
	Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@...e.de>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Crispin Cowan <crispin@...ell.com>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@...e.de>, jjohansen@...e.de,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,
 pathname matching

> This thread is amazing.  With so many smart people's precious time,
> 
> What are the results?
> What are the issues anyway?
> Is anyone happy? (I'm not and I assume Chris is not)
> 
> Yes, "waste of time" is taking place here, but
> it's not for "pathname-based MAC" but for "wrongly posted messages",
> I believe.  I'm a relatively new to this ml, let me ask.
> 
> Is this ml a place of judge or battle? (not to help or support?)
> 
> Nothing is perfect, so we can work to make things to better, right?
> I have suggestions:
> 
> Let's clarify issues first.
> - problems (or limitations) of pathname-based MAC
> - advantages of pathname-based MAC
> - how can pathname-based MAC supplement label based
> (Stephen, James and Kyle, please help)
> 
> Let's start the arguments again if we get the issues.
> Threads should be definitely separated per issue and
> a assigning a chair may help.

Well, I crated a Wiki page. If it helps, please
feel free to use it.  I mean I would like
people to add your issues here.  It's wiki, so
you are welcome to modify everything.

http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/wiki-e/?MAC-ISSUES

If ml is better, I have no objections.
I just wanted to help discussion.

> Above issues are independent of SELinux. We should not *compare*
> SELinux and AA, that can cause a problem. Every software has
> shortages that's why we need to work and we can make progress.
> For some issues we may need to compare them, in that case
> moderators would help.
> 
> BTW I have posted a RFC of TOMOYO Linux that is another
> pathname-based MAC.
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/13/58
> AA and TOMOYO Linux have BoF sessions at OLS2007,
> so it would be a great opportunity to *talk* over the issues.
> 
> What I want to say is "let's make progress and help each other
> to make Linux better".

Cheers,
Toshiharu Harada

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