linux-kernel - Re: [AppArmor 00/44] AppArmor security module overview

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Message-ID: <46839B10.7040005@imap.cc>
Date:	Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:27:12 +0200
From:	Tilman Schmidt <tilman@...p.cc>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
CC:	crispin@...ell.com, seanlkml@...patico.ca, bunk@...sta.de,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, jjohansen@...e.de,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 00/44] AppArmor security module overview

David Miller schrieb:
> What you get by the code going into the upstream kernel tree is that
> it a) adds some pseudo legitimacy to AppArmour (which I don't
> personally think is warranted) and b) gets the work of keeping
> apparmour working with upstream largely off of your back and in the
> hands of the upstream community.
> 
> Neither of those are reasons why something should go into the tree.

I beg to differ. b) is *the* reason cited again and again on LKML
for submitting code for inclusion in the tree. Whenever anyone
posts anything which is remotely related to out-of-tree code,
whether it's a question on the usage of some standard in-tree
function, a request for help with a coding or debugging problem,
or out-of-tree repercussions of an in-tree change, he or she
invariably has to put up with an answer along the lines of: "put
your code into the tree and all your problems will be solved" -
or its sarcastic variant: "I can't find your code anywhere in
the current kernel sources".

You can't have it both ways. Either you go around bashing
people for maintaining their code out-of-tree or you go around
bashing people for trying to get their code into the tree.

-- 
Tilman Schmidt                    E-Mail: tilman@...p.cc
Bonn, Germany
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