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Date:	Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:56:30 +0200
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>
Cc:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@...solutions.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway

Hi!

> > How will that help?  Block the kernel thread in the freezer or block it 
> > in the driver -- either way it is blocked.  So how do your deadlocks 
> > get resolved?
> 
> Because nobody is waiting on that kernel thread anyway without a freezer
> so there is no deadlock anymore.

In the deadlock we are seeing, _someone_ is waiting on userspace
thread, that leads to deadlock with freezer. We don't know who,
because we have not seen the sysrq-t dumps.

The "unknown who" will deadlock on fused frozen by driver, too. We
really need to fix the "unknown who" here.
								Pavel
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