Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707141413330.14672@asgard.lang.hm>
Date:	Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
From:	david@...g.hm
To:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
cc:	Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@....edu>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@...el.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, nigel@...el.suspend2.net,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Kexec jump: The first step to kexec base hibernation

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> On Saturday, 14 July 2007 09:51, david@...g.hm wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>
>>>> Ok, now we need a data channel from the old kernel to the hibernate
>>>> kernel, to the restore kernel. and the messier the memory layout the
>>>> larger this data channel needs to be (hmm, what's the status on the memory
>>>> defrag patches being proposed?) if this list can be made small enough it
>>>> would work to just have the old kernel put the data in a known location in
>>>> ram, and let the other two parts find it (in ram for the hibernate kernel,
>>>> in the hibernate image for the wakeup kernel).
>>>
>>> I think the hibernation kernel should mmap() the "old" kernel's (and it's
>>> processes') memory available for saving, so that the image-saving process
>>> can read its contents from the original locations.
>>
>> but I'll bet that not all kernels keep the info in the same place (and
>> probably not even in the same format). I'm suggesting that a standard be
>> defined for the format of the data and the location of a pointer to it
>> that will be maintained across kernel versions.
>
> Yes.
>
> The image-saving kernel needs to have access to the hibernated kernel's
> pages data, plus some additional information that should be passed in a
> standard format.

but per stable-abi-nonsense the internal structure of the kernel's pages 
data isn't an abi. so instead of figuring this out by pokeing around in 
the memory of the old kernel and deciding what should be saved and what 
shouldn't, the old kernel (which understands the memory structure) should 
create a simple map of what should be backed up (either a bitmap or an 
extent-style map, depending on how many holes there are expected to be) 
and then provide that map to the new kernel. the new kernel (or more 
precisely it's userspace) reads the pages it's told to read and writes 
them somewhere.

>>>> since people are complaining about the amount of ram that a kexec kernel
>>>> would take up I'm assuiming it's somethingmore complex then just a bitmap
>>>> of all possible pages.
>>>
>>> No, it's just bitmaps, AFAICS, and the complaints are a bit overstated, IMO. ;-)
>>
>> 1 bit for each 4k means 1m bits for 4g of ram, or 128k of bitmaps, growing
>> up to 1m of ram used for 32G of ram in the system. I guess this isn't bad
>> as long as it doesn't need to be contiguous for the new kernel to access
>> it.
>>
>> ok, that makes it a pretty trivial thing to work with. I just need to
>> learn how to find the bitmaps.
>
> They are created on the fly before the hibernation.  The format is described in
> kernel/power/snapshot.c .

I'll look through this file, but the format of this is an abi/api to the 
userspace and should be documented outside of the code.

David Lang

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