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Date:	Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:40:22 +0800
From:	"Shaohua Li" <shaoh.li@...il.com>
To:	"Avi Kivity" <avi@...ranet.com>
Cc:	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re:

> From: "Avi Kivity" <avi@...ranet.com>
> To: "Li, Shaohua" <shaohua.li@...el.com>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:42:29 +0800
> Subject: Re: [RFC 0/8]KVM: swap out guest pages
>
>
> Shaohua Li wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 18:27 +0800, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >
> >> Shaohua Li wrote:
> >>
> >>> This patch series make kvm guest pages be able to be swapped out and
> >>> dynamically allocated. Without it, all guest memory is allocated at
> >>> guest start time.
> >>>
> >>> patches are against latest git, and you need first patch Avi's
> >>>
> >> kvm-sch
> >>
> >>> integration patch
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=11841693332609-git-send-email-avi%40qumranet.com&forum_name=kvm-devel
> ).
> >>
> >>> Patch is quite stable in my test. With the patch, I can run a 256M
> >>> memory guest in a 300M memory host.
> >>>
> >> What about the opposite?
> >>
> >>
> >>> If guest is idle, the memory it used
> >>> can be less than 10M. I did a simple performance test (measure
> >>>
> >> kernel
> >>
> >>> build time in guest), if there is few swap, the performance w/wo the
> >>> patch difference isn't significent. If you have better measurement
> >>> approach, please let me try.
> >>>
> >>> Unresolved issue:
> >>> 1. swapoff doesn't work, we need a hook.
> >>> 2. SMP guest might not work, as kvm doesn't support smp till now.
> >>> 3. better algorithm to select swaped out guest pages according to
> >>> guest's memory usage.
> >>> Maybe more.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggests and comments are appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The big question is whether to have kvm's own address_space or not.
> >>
> >> Having an address_space (like your patch does) is remarkably simple,
> >> and
> >> requires few hooks from the current vm.  However using existing vmas
> >> mapped by the user has many advantages:
> >>
> >> - compatible with s390 requirements
> >> - allows the user to use hugetlbfs pages, which have a performance
> >> advantage using ept/npt (but which are unswappable)
> >> - allows the user to map a file (which can be regarded as way to
> >> specify
> >> the swap device)
> >> - better ingration with the rest of the vm
> >>
> >> I am quite torn between the simplicity of your approach and the
> >> advantages of using generic vmas.  However, s390 pretty much forces
> >> our
> >> hand.
> >>
> >> What is your opinion of extending generic vmas to back kvm guest
> >> memory?
> >>
> > several issues:
> > 1. vma is to manage usersapce address, kvm guest uses full address
> > space.
> > 2. qemu itself must use some address space.
> >
>
> My idea is to keep the current slot concept, but instead of having kvm
> allocate pages for a slot, it would call get_user_pages() for a virtual
> address range.  Userspace doesn't directly talk about vmas, just virtual
> address ranges.
all the APIs need vma/page table handling. swap also needs vma for
rmap for generic file.

Thanks,
Shaohua
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