Message-ID: <46A8EA0B.4000602@googlemail.com>
Date:	Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:38:03 +0200
From:	Gabriel C <nix.or.die@...glemail.com>
To:	Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>
CC:	david@...g.hm, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.23-rc1

Len Brown wrote:
> On Thursday 26 July 2007 06:07, Gabriel C wrote:
> 
>>> If you feel that your system has been degraded
>>> because it now includes what used to be excluded under
>>> CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=n, please let me know how.
>> Even if I want to SUSPEND* to <something> I can't on my Dell Precision 530 boxes , 
>> SCSI is broken with suspend therefore all these boxes have the whole SUSPEND* off, 
>> all I need is ACPI.
> 
> Linux is already way behind the competition on both STR and STD.
> Disabling it because it doesn't work will makes this situation
> worse, not better.

Heh what else can I do ? The _bug_(s) are reporter for ages.

See this one as example ( this kills all my Dells ) and there are a lot more reported.

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3062

...

 Description From Nathan Bryant 2004-07-13 18:14

...

Notice '2004' and still no one really cares .. 
So all I can do for now is to disable it.

> 
>> So why you think I want to have this all enabled by default now ? 
>> Just to bloat the kernel with something doesn't even work for me ?
> 
> Can you be specific about how much additional "bloat" your system
> must endure with CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y

At least I was not forced to use HOTPLUG_CPU .. 

Really I just enable what I need / works on my box(es).

> 
>>>> config ACPI_SLEEP
>>>>          select HOTPLUG_CPU if X86 && SMP
>>>>          select SUSPEND_SMP if X86 && SMP
>>>>
>>>> instead of makeing it dependant on ACPI.
>>> If more config options where better, then this
>>> would indeed be an improvement over 2.6.22.
>>> But more config options isn't better -- except for "some people":-)
>> But in this case some config / new config is better.
>>
>> I do not need ACPI to SUSPEND but to make the box work properly.
> 
> You also don't need a lot of other code in your kernel.
> 
> At some point the complexity of supporting more configuration options
> out-weights the benefits of having them.  I have a pretty good idea
> of the cost of maintaining the code.  So my question to you is
> is what, exactly, is the benefit of having 2.6.22 CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y
> that is now lost in 2.6.23-git?
> 
>> Ohh and isn't better to make 'ACPI_PROCESSOR  select SUSPEND_SMP and HOTPLUG_CPU if X86 && SMP' ?
>>
>> ...
>>
>> config ACPI_PROCESSOR
>>         tristate "Processor"
>>         default y
>>         help
>>           This driver installs ACPI as the idle handler for Linux, and uses
>>           ACPI C2 and C3 processor states to save power, on systems that
>>           support it.  It is required by several flavors of cpufreq
>>           Performance-state drivers.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Is more logical for me to do it here but I may be wrong.
> 
> ACPI_PROCESSOR supports C-states and P-states and is not directly
> related to support for system sleep states.  If your system is recent,
> then it is likely that you want to enable this (and cpufreq) to save power --
> even if you are not interested in system-wide sleep states.

Oh ok.

Well then add a dummy config onpion, ACPI_DESKTOP_SUSPEND or something , move the 2 selects to there ,
make it visible in the menu and make it even default y but that way one can disable it.

You have a config option more even you hate that =) but no #ifdef's in code.

> 
> -Len
> 


Gabriel
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