linux-kernel - Re: lmbench ctxsw regression with CFS

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Date:	Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:14:47 +0200
From:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: lmbench ctxsw regression with CFS

On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 05:44:47PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de> wrote:
> 
> > > > > One thing to check out is whether the lmbench numbers are 
> > > > > "correct". Especially on SMP systems, the lmbench numbers are 
> > > > > actually *best* when the two processes run on the same CPU, even 
> > > > > though that's not really at all the best scheduling - it's just 
> > > > > that it artificially improves lmbench numbers because of the 
> > > > > close cache affinity for the pipe data structures.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I bound them to a single core.
> > > 
> > > could you send me the .config you used?
> > 
> > Sure, attached...
> > 
> > You don't see a regression? If not, then can you send me the .config 
> > you used? [...]
> 
> i used your config to get a few numbers and to see what happens. Here's 
> the numbers of 10 consecutive "lat_ctx -s 0 2" runs:
> 
>                         [ time in micro-seconds, smaller is better ]
> 
>         v2.6.22         v2.6.23-git          v2.6.23-git+const-param
>         -------         -----------          -----------------------
>          1.30              1.60                       1.19
>          1.30              1.36                       1.18
>          1.14              1.50                       1.01
>          1.26              1.27                       1.23
>          1.22              1.40                       1.04
>          1.13              1.34                       1.09
>          1.27              1.39                       1.05
>          1.20              1.30                       1.16
>          1.20              1.17                       1.16
>          1.25              1.33                       1.01
>        -------------------------------------------------------------
>   avg:   1.22              1.36 (+11.3%)              1.11 (-10.3%)
>   min:   1.13              1.17 ( +3.5%)              1.01 (-11.8%)
>   max:   1.27              1.60 (+26.0%)              1.23 ( -3.2%)
> 
> one reason for the extra overhead is the current tunability of CFS, but 
> that is not fundamental, it's caused by the many knobs that CFS has at 
> the moment. The const-tuning patch (attached below, results in the 
> rightmost column) changes those knobs to constants, allowing the 
> compiler to optimize the math better and reduce code size. (the code 
> movement in the patch makes up for most of its size, the change that it 
> does is simple otherwise.)

[...]

Oh good. Thanks for getting to the bottom of it. We have normally
disliked too much runtime tunables in the scheduler, so I assume
these are mostly going away or under a CONFIG option for 2.6.23?
Or...?

What CPU did you get these numbers on? Do the indirect calls hurt
much on those without an indirect predictor? (I'll try running some
tests).

I must say that I don't really like the indirect calls a great deal,
and they could be eliminated just with a couple of branches and
direct calls.
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