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Date:	Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:53:23 -0400
From:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
To:	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@...hat.com>
CC:	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	J??rn Engel <joern@...fs.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	miklos@...redi.hu, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, neilb@...e.de,
	dgc@....com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@...achi.com, nikita@...sterfs.com,
	trond.myklebust@....uio.no, yingchao.zhou@...il.com,
	richard@....demon.co.uk, david@...g.hm
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8

Chuck Ebbert wrote:
> On 08/05/2007 04:36 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> Umm, no f**king way.  atime selection is 100% policy and belongs into
>> userspace.  Add to that the problem that we can't actually re-enable
>> atimes because of the way the vfs-level mount flags API is designed.
>> Instead of doing such a fugly kernel patch just talk to the handfull
>> of distributions that matter to update their defaults.

> We already tried that here. The response: "If noatime is so great, why
> isn't it the default in the kernel?"

Yes, and around and around we go :/

	Jeff


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