linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

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Message-ID: <20070816003948.GY9645@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:39:48 -0700
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>
Cc:	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
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	schwidefsky@...ibm.com, wensong@...ux-vs.org, horms@...ge.net.au,
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	rpjday@...dspring.com, jesper.juhl@...il.com,
	segher@...nel.crashing.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 05:26:34PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> 
> > In the kernel we use atomic variables in precisely those situations
> > where a variable is potentially accessed concurrently by multiple
> > CPUs, and where each CPU needs to see updates done by other CPUs in a
> > timely fashion.  That is what they are for.  Therefore the compiler
> > must not cache values of atomic variables in registers; each
> > atomic_read must result in a load and each atomic_set must result in a
> > store.  Anything else will just lead to subtle bugs.
> 
> This may have been the intend. However, today the visibility is controlled 
> using barriers. And we have barriers that we use with atomic operations. 
> Having volatile be the default just lead to confusion. Atomic read should 
> just read with no extras. Extras can be added by using variants like 
> atomic_read_volatile or so.

Seems to me that we face greater chance of confusion without the
volatile than with, particularly as compiler optimizations become
more aggressive.  Yes, we could simply disable optimization, but
optimization can be quite helpful.

						Thanx, Paul
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