linux-kernel - Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

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Message-ID: <46D553CB.9020107@sgi.com>
Date:	Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:08:59 +0200
From:	Jes Sorensen <jes@....com>
To:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>,
	Tech Board Discuss 
	<Tech-board-discuss@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andy Isaacson <adi@...apodia.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@...il.com>, ksummit-2007-discuss@...nk.org
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation
 Technical Advisory Board Elections

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jes Sorensen wrote:
> 
>> Right now it looks like we have a list of sane candidates up, which I
>> certainly would be willing to vote for. However, it would be a shame
>> that the credibility of the election is lost because of sticking to an
>> undemocratic voting procedure. A procedure which it in fact was stated
>> when the board was created last year, would be replaced this year.
> 
> Democracy is an ideal that is not attainable. A representative democracy 
> is usually the best you can get. So you need people that have some 
> competence to contribute to the endeavor. And AFAICT we approximate that 
> reasonably. Many of the people that were not subject to the git commit 
> quota are experienced hands that are valuable because of their experience 
> with Linux and the Summit.

Of course, total democracy is impractical and not attainable. However,
in this particular situation we have something that is far from perfect,
but which is also easy to improve significantly if there is willingness
to do so.

KS has been using the 'we can only fit in 50 people into our exclusive
club because we have to include all of our program committee and the
sold off seats so we can go collect money for a ridiculously huge
budget for usenix' argument for years.

I don't see why the TAB vote should lose it's credibility in order to
satisfy a demand from a few people to enjoy their feel of exclusivity,
in particular when it's so easy to fix.

Jes
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