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Date:	Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:56:29 +0100
From:	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com>
To:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@...erone.com.au>,
	Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@...hat.com>,
	Ilpo Jarvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...sinki.fi>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:18, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:02:54 +0100
> Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Why is all this fixation on "volatile"? I don't think
> > people want "volatile" keyword per se, they want atomic_read(&x) to
> > _always_ compile into an memory-accessing instruction, not register
> > access.
> 
> and ... why is that?
> is there any valid, non-buggy code sequence that makes that a
> reasonable requirement?

Well, if you insist on having it again:

Waiting for atomic value to be zero:

        while (atomic_read(&x))
                continue;

gcc may happily convert it into:

        reg = atomic_read(&x);
        while (reg)
                continue;

Expecting every driver writer to remember that atomic_read is not in fact
a "read from memory" is naive. That won't happen. Face it, majority of
driver authors are a bit less talented than Ingo Molnar or Arjan van de Ven ;)
The name of the macro is saying that it's a read.
We are confusing users here.

It's doubly confusing that cpy_relax(), which says _nothing_ about barriers
in its name, is actually a barrier you need to insert here.
--
vda
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