linux-kernel - Re: Wasting our Freedom

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0709180743550.6245@chaos.analogic.com>
Date:	Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:46:20 -0400
From:	"linux-os \(Dick Johnson\)" <linux-os@...logic.com>
To:	"Bodo Eggert" <7eggert@....de>
Cc:	"Paul de Weerd" <weerd@...rdnet.nl>,
	"Adrian Bunk" <bunk@...nel.org>,
	"Paul de Weerd" <weerd@...rdnet.nl>,
	"Can E. Acar" <can.acar@...-g.com.tr>, <misc@...nbsd.org>,
	"Linux kernel" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Hazelton" <dhazelton@...er.net>,
	"Eben Moglen" <moglen@...twarefreedom.org>,
	"Lawrence Lessig" <lessig_from_web@...ox.com>,
	"Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@...twarefreedom.org>,
	"Matt Norwood" <norwood@...twarefreedom.org>
Subject: Re: Wasting our Freedom


On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Bodo Eggert wrote:

> Paul de Weerd <weerd@...rdnet.nl> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:38:45PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
>> | It's not about lazyness of BSD developers, many people who consider the
>> | BSD licence more free than the GPL argue that the advantage of the BSD
>> | licence is that it does not require you to give back.
>> |
>> | Something is wrong if your licence text clearly states that you do not
>> | require getting anything back but you then argue on moral grounds that
>> | something has to be given back.
>>
>> Something is wrong if your licence text clearly states that you MUST
>> give back, but then you don't return the favour on grounds that "hey,
>> they don't require it, so we don't have to".
>
> If you may demand me to give back, why should I(*) not demand the same thing
> for my contributions?
>
> You're not only asking to contribute to your project, but you're asking me
> to throw my code to the feet of Apple amd Microsoft, who will user it, make
> big bucks and lock out alternatives as far as possible, especially free ones.
> This happens to not be my idea of sharing code.
>
> You may say it's morally correct for them because they never claimed they'd
> not suck your blood, but did the GPL people claim not to demand others to
> give back? Au contrair, and if it's OK for companies to do what they say
> they would, it will be OK for them and for me, too.
>
>
> *) I did not yet work on a BSD licensed project, but let's asume I did
>
>> It may be perfectly legal, but it's "interesting" to say the least.
>> No, you do not have to give back. But weren't you open source / free
>> software developers ? Why did you pick the GPL ? Because you didn't
>> want someone to run of with your code ? You wanted code to be given
>> back ? Why not do it yourself ?
>
>> By not giving back you're giving a strange signal.
>
> Gee, since you're demanding back anyway, you can use the GPL for your
> project and use my contribution. Problem solved.
>
> Oh, you want people to be free not to share? Freedom includes having the
> moral right to do something. Am I free not to share? Or is this "freedom"
> just an empty shell?
>
> -- 
> Funny quotes:
> 36. You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.
>
> Friß, Spammer: zdhC.nb1l@...eggert.dyndns.org I@...gert.dyndns.org
> -

How about linux-license@...r.kernel.org?

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.6.22.1 on an i686 machine (5588.30 BogoMips).
My book : http://www.AbominableFirebug.com/
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