linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] remove throttle_vm

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Date:	Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:40:26 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
To:	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@...redi.hu>
Cc:	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, wfg@...l.ustc.edu.cn,
	linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove throttle_vm_writeout()

On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 14:25 +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> This in preparation for the writable mmap patches for fuse.  I know it
> conflicts with
> 
>   writeback-remove-unnecessary-wait-in-throttle_vm_writeout.patch
> 
> but if this function is to be removed, it doesn't make much sense to
> fix it first ;)
> ---
> 
> From: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@...e.cz>
> 
> By relying on the global diry limits, this can cause a deadlock when
> devices are stacked.
> 
> If the stacking is done through a fuse filesystem, the __GFP_FS,
> __GFP_IO tests won't help: the process doing the allocation doesn't
> have any special flag.
> 
> So why exactly does this function exist?
> 
> Direct reclaim does not _increase_ the number of dirty pages in the
> system, so rate limiting it seems somewhat pointless.
> 
> There are two cases:
> 
> 1) File backed pages -> file
> 
>   dirty + writeback count remains constant
> 
> 2) Anonymous pages -> swap
> 
>   writeback count increases, dirty balancing will hold back file
>   writeback in favor of swap
> 
> So the real question is: does case 2 need rate limiting, or is it OK
> to let the device queue fill with swap pages as fast as possible?

Because balance_dirty_pages() maintains:

 nr_dirty + nr_unstable + nr_writeback < 
	total_dirty + nr_cpus * ratelimit_pages

throttle_vm_writeout() _should_ not deadlock on that, unless you're
caught in the error term: nr_cpus * ratelimit_pages. 

Which can only happen when it is larger than 10% of dirty_thresh.

Which is even more unlikely since it doesn't account nr_dirty (as I
think it should).

As for 2), yes I think having a limit on the total number of pages in
flight is a good thing. But that said, there might be better ways to do
that.




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