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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:05:40 +0530
From: "K.Prasad" <prasad@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@...el.com>,
"Lennart Sorensen" <lsorense@...lub.uwaterloo.ca>
Cc: "Pavel Machek" <pavel@....cz>,
"Arjan van de Ven" <arjan@...radead.org>,
"kernel list" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:17 +0530, Kok, Auke <auke-jan.h.kok@...el.com>
wrote:
> Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote:
>>> you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think.
>>>
>>> One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a
>>> significant amount
>>> of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds typical) with
>>> gigabit, and
>>> having your ethernet connection go offline for 3 seconds may not be
>>> the desired
>>> effect for when you want to get more bandwidth in the first place.
>>>
>>> However, when a laptop is in battery mode, switching down from gigabit
>>> to 100mbit
>>> makes a lot more sense, so this is something I would recommend. This
>>> can be as
>>> easy as changing the advertisement mask of the interface and
>>> renegotiating the
>>> link. Userspace could handle that very easily.
>>
>> Now if you were trying to transfer a lot of data to the laptop, would it
>> be more power efficient to do it at gigabit speeds so you can finish
>> sooner and shut down the machine entirely, or to slow to 100mbit and
>> take longer to do it, and hence spend more time powering the cpu and
>> ram?
>
> my suspicion is that the cost of switching is much higher than what you
> would
> consume running at 100mbit, even if the amount of data is quite large.
> going
> offline to renegotiate the link would already cost you 3W typically.
>
> I definately think that userspace is the right field to solve this
> problem: let
> the users decide how to use the available power on their sytems through
> a decent
> power profile tool (perhaps gnome-power-manager or something like that).
> This way
> the user can choose.
>
> Auke
> -
Perhaps interrupt moderation could be of help here (say - switch to lesser
interrupts per unit of time when running on battery), which I find that
the e1000 driver doesn't employ in the kernel presently. (For interrupt
moderation, refer:
http://download.intel.com/design/network/applnots/ap450.pdf.)
Without the side-effect of experiencing a link-flap when switching to a
lower-speed (with its toll in terms of down-time for auto-negotiation,
STP, etc), the Interrupt Moderation Algorithm dynamically adjusts the
number of interrupts based on traffic - and presumably consume less power.
For an "Optimise for Power" kind of profile - the driver can be loaded
with a higher throttle rate during boot-time.
Thanks,
K.Prasad
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