linux-kernel - Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface)

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Message-ID: <446110.89443.qm@web36608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date:	Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
To:	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org>, Simon Arlott <simon@...e.lp0.eu>
Cc:	Chris Wright <chrisw@...s-sol.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@...putergmbh.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@...e.de>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@...oo.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Crispin Cowan <crispin@...spincowan.com>,
	Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@...ian.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface)

--- Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org> wrote:

> ...
> 
> There are other points in this thread that might or might not warrant 
> making LSM modular again, but even though it might sound harsh breaking 
> external modules and thereby making people aware that their code should 
> get into the kernel is IMHO a positive point.

Those proposing LSM modules over the past couple years have
been treated most harshly. I have personally taken the least
flak of anyone on my proposal, and at that there have been
times where I felt like pulling out the #5 clue stick and
taking a few swings. It's no wonder that people are afraid
to suggest a module. I didn't do it until I had combed through
the archives and prepared answers for the most common attacks.
I hope that Smack moving forward will defuse some of the bad
vibes that have clouded the LSM for so long. I don't blame
anyone who kept their module to themself given the hostility
which even successful products have encountered.

And don't give me the old "LKML is a tough crowd" feldercarb.
Security modules have been much worse. Innovation, even in
security, is a good thing and treating people harshly, even
"for their own good", is an impediment to innovation.

Casey Schaufler
casey@...aufler-ca.com
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