linux-kernel - Re: Defense in depth: LSM *modules*, not a static interface

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Message-ID: <671729.27434.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date:	Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:35:34 -0800 (PST)
From:	Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
To:	Cliffe <cliffe@...net>, Peter Dolding <oiaohm@...il.com>
Cc:	Crispin Cowan <crispin@...spincowan.com>,
	Simon Arlott <simon@...e.lp0.eu>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Defense in depth: LSM *modules*, not a static interface

--- Cliffe <cliffe@...net> wrote:

> As good an idea POSIX capabilities might be,

Now that's a refreshing comment. Thank you.

> not all security problems 
> can be solved with a bitmap of on/off permissions.

There are people (I'm not one of them) who figure that you
can solve all the security problems by applying sufficiently
fine granularity of on/off permissions.

> Peter Dolding wrote:
> <lots o stuff>
> 
> Ok but what happens to the principle of least privilege?
> 
> What if we want AppArmor to confine that application to use a particular 
> set of ports?
> 
> Do you propose having a capability for each port? how about protocols?

While you're at it, how about a capability for each possible
directory entry name?

> So unless my understanding of capabilities is fundamentally flawed 
> (which it may be - I have not spent time reviewing recent changes) 
> obviously Linux capabilities does not provide a solution to every problem.

Of course they don't. The only problem they are intended
to solve, and I really mean this, is the association of uid 0
with privilege. That's it. You would be better off with a single
CAP_GODLIKE than with uid 0 having all privilege all the time.
Fine grained capabilities are a bonus, and there are lots of
people who think that it would be really nifty if there were a
separate capability for each "if" in the kernel. I personally
don't see need for more than about 20. That is a matter of taste.
DG/UX ended up with 330 and I say that's too many.

Casey Schaufler
casey@...aufler-ca.com
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