linux-kernel - Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

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Message-ID: <473B287B.2010102@caiway.nl>
Date:	Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:55:23 +0100
From:	Jan Evert van Grootheest <j.e.van.grootheest@...way.nl>
To:	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org>
CC:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Benoit Boissinot <bboissin@...il.com>, Mark Lord <liml@....ca>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, protasnb@...il.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, ne@...p.vs19.net
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
>>     
>>> Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
>>> (gentoo->ubuntu)
>>> and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I
>>> know this isn't a lkml problem
>>> but more a distro problem, but I would love having an ubuntu blessed
>>> repo with current dev kernel
>>> for the latest stable ubuntu release).
>>>       
>> There are two parts to this.  One is a Ubuntu development kernel which
>> we can give to large numbers of people to expand our testing pool.
>> But if we don't do a better job of responding to bug reports that
>> would be generated by expanded testing this won't necessarily help us.
>> ...
>>     
>
> The main problem aren't missing testers [1] - we already have relatively 
> experienced people testing kernels and/or reporting bugs, and we slowly 
> scare them away due to the many bug reports without any reaction.
>
> The main problem is finding experienced developers who spend time on 
> looking into bug reports.
>
> Getting many relatively unexperienced users (who need more guidance for 
> debugging issues) as additional testers is therefore IMHO not 
> necessarily a good idea.
>
> [1] and e.g. when Greg says he has a few hundred people who want to
>     write drivers it would most likely be possible to find a few
>     dozen additional -rc testers among them
>   
Hum. If only each of those would squash one bug a week besides their own 
work...
I would expect he's got a handful that know IDE, another group that is 
into network drivers and so on.

I predict that pile of bugs to disappear in weeks (-;

Just my $0.02.

Jan Evert
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