Message-Id: <1202929511.4978.88.camel@localhost>
Date:	Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:05:11 -0700
From:	Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@...com>
To:	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>
Cc:	Paul Jackson <pj@....com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	clameter@....com, ak@...e.de, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	mel@....ul.ie
Subject: Re: [patch 3/4] mempolicy: add MPOL_F_STATIC_NODES flag

On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 10:48 -0800, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> 
> > > >  2) Those 'mpol_mode()' wrappers on all those mempolicy->policy
> > > >     evaluations look dangerous to me.  It looks like a code bug
> > > >     waiting to happen.  Unless I miss my guess, if you forget one of
> > > >     those wrappers (or someone making a future change misses one), no
> > > >     one will notice until sometime at runtime, someone makes use of the
> > > >     new fangled MPOL_F_STATIC_NODES mode in some new situation, and we
> > > >     end up executing code that we didn't expect to execute just then.
> > > > 
> > > >     I urge you to reconsider, and keep it so that the 'policy' field of struct
> > > >     mempolicy naturally evaluates to just the policy.  There should be just one
> > > >     pair of places, on entry to, and exit from, the kernel, where the code is
> > > >     aware of the need to pack the mode and the policy into a single word.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Ok.
> > 
> > I was hoping David wouldn't cave on this point. ;-)  I do agree with
> > David that if we ever end up with nr_modes + nr_mode_flags > 16, the API
> > will become too complex for myself, at least, to comprehend.  I don't
> > feel too strongly either way, and I'll explain more below, but first:
> > 
> 
> Hmm, I don't remember "caving" on this point; Paul asked me to reconsider 
> and I said that I would.  I think it's also helpful to have more 
> discussion on the matter by including other people's opinions.

> 
> > I do agree with Paul that there is a danger of missing one of these in
> > converting existing code.  In fact, I missed one in my ref counting
> > rework patch that I will ultimately rebase atop David's final version
> > [I'm already dependent on Mel Gorman's patch series].  To catch this, I
> > decided to rename the "policy" member to "mode".  This also aligns the
> > struct better with the numa_memory_policy doc [I think of the "policy"
> > as the tuple:  mode + optional nodemask].  For future code, I think we
> > could add comments to the struct definition warning that one should use
> > the wrappers to access the mode or mode flags.
> > 
> 
> I considered this when I implemented it the way I did, and that was part 
> of the reason I was in favor of enum mempolicy_mode so much: functions 
> that had a formal of type 'enum mempolicy_mode' were only the mode and 
> formals of type 'int' or 'unsigned short' were the combination.  I even 
> stated that difference in Documentation/vm/numa_memory_policy.txt in the 
> first patchset.
> 
> > However, let's step back and look at the usage of the mempolicy struct.
> > In earlier mail, David mentioned that it is passed around outside of
> > mempolicy.c.  While this is true, the only place that I see where code
> > outside of mempolicy.c deals with the policy/mode and nodemask
> > separately--as opposed to using an opaque mempolicy struct--is in the
> > shmem mount option parsing.  Everywhere else, as far as I can see, just
> > uses the struct mempolicy.  Even slab/slub call into slab_node() in
> > mempolicy.c to extract the target node for the policy.
> > 
> 
> Yes, struct shmem_sb_info stores the 'policy' member as well so it would 
> need to include a new 'flags' member as well.  And the interface between 
> the two, mpol_shared_policy_init() would need another formal for the 
> flags.
> 
> > So, if David does accept Paul's plea to separate the mode and the mode
> > flags in the structure, I would suggest that we do this in mpol_new().
> > That is, in {sys|do}_{set_mempolicy|mbind}(), maintain the API format
> > with the mode flags ORed into the mode.  mpol_new() can pull them apart
> > into different struct mempolicy members.  The rest of mempolicy.c can
> > use them directly from the struct without the helpers.  get_mempolicy()
> > will need to pack the mode and flags back together--perhaps with an
> > inverse helper function.
> > 
> 
> Yeah, it gets tricky.  I'm not too sure about only pulling the mode and 
> flags apart at mpol_new() time because perhaps, in the future, there will 
> be flag and mode combinations that are only applicable for set_mempolicy() 
> and not for mbind(), for example.  I can imagine that someday we may add a 
> flag that applies only to a task mempolicy and not to a VMA mempolicy.

True.  Altho' at such a time, I'd probably argue for testing for and
rejecting invalid mode/flag combinations in the respective
functions :-).


> 
> > As for the shmem mount option parsing:  For now, I'd suggest that we
> > keep the mode flags OR'd into the "policy" member of the shmem_sb_info
> > struct -- i.e., the "API format"--to preserve the mpol_new() interface.
> 
> I don't like this because its not consistent.  It increases the confusion 
> of what contains a mode and what contains the combination.  I think the 
> safest thing to do, if we separate the mode and flags out in struct 
> mempolicy is to do it everywhere.  All helper functions will need 
> additional formals similar to what I did in the first patchset (that was 
> actually unpopular) and struct shmem_sb_info need to be modified to 
> include the additional member.
> 
> In other words, I'm all in favor of storing the mode and flags however we 
> want, but I think it should be done consistenty throughout the tree.  
> While mpol_mode() wrappers may not be favorable all over the place (and I 
> didn't miss any), it may be easier than the alternative.

OK.  I'm "caving"... :-)  Different views of consistency.  But,
eventually, I hope we can replace the separate mode[, flags] and
nodemask in the 'sb_info with a mempolicy and keep the details of modes,
flags, etc. internal to mempolicy.c.

Looking forward to the respin of the patches...

Lee

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