linux-kernel - Re: x86-32-config: why is pc-speaker an input device?

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Message-ID: <47B61DDF.4000302@tlinx.org>
Date:	Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:18:55 -0800
From:	Linda Walsh <lkml@...nx.org>
To:	Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
CC:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: x86-32-config: why is pc-speaker an input device?

Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
> The last time around for this question, I was half-paying attention, and
> the rationale sounded like "We had an input device framework, no output
> device framework, and too many bad shrooms to do something comprehensible".
>   
---
    Yeah, hmm...the question I'd have then is the "only" output device 
that doesn't fit into a better category? 

    Could there be other OUTput devices in this category?   Would
renaming the category to something like "Miscellaneous I/O Devices" be
reasonable?    Are keyboard status lights considered output devices?
Are "force-feedback" devices meaning devices like a rumble-gamepad
device?  Isn't that providing output via feedback?

    Though, I would agree, most of these devices would be thought of
as "input" devices. Dang PC-SPEAKER...um...since the driver is config'ed
with the 'input' interface, dang, it really seems like it should be an
entry under sound.

    I can see the problem and I'm not familiar enough with the underlying
drivers to know how the PC-Speaker would best be handled. 

> (This is such a *frequent* FAQ, even all the time since 2.6.0 escaped, that
> maybe we need to add a 3-4 line explain to the Kconfig 'help' stanza for
> CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR - although for some reason, INPUT_SPARCSPKR and
> INPUT_M68K_BEEP don't seem to cause the same questions....)
>   
----
No matter where it is in the 'kernel configuration', it sure seems
strange (in "user land"), to see the PC-Speaker be recognized as an
input device -- especially in light of the fact that "all speakers
are microphones" (http://www.zyra.org.uk/sp-mic.htm).  Would some user
wonder whether or not their speaker has some dual-circuitry to listen
as well as output (ala TV sets being 2-way video devices in Max Headroom)?



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