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Date:	Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:22:41 -0500
From:	Dave Jones <davej@...emonkey.org.uk>
To:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
Cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: broken suspend in .2.6.25-rc3 on T61p (was Re: new regression
	in 2.6.25-rc3: no keyboard/lid acpi events on thinkpad T61p)

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:16:11PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
 > On Tue 2008-02-26 13:10:01, Dave Jones wrote:
 > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 06:59:54PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
 > >  
 > >  > > if by 'custom' you mean the solution everyone agreed to work
 > >  > > toward at the power management summit several years ago
 > >  > > (hal/pm-utils) then, yes.
 > >  > 
 > >  > I must have been on different summit... I believe it is bad to tie
 > >  > s2ram to hal, because it makes testing on minimal system hard.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Anyway, what is the "default" way to trigger s2ram for Andrew? Perhaps
 > >  > Fedora already has his machine whitelisted...
 > > 
 > > There is no s2ram. pm-suspend uses the white/black-lists in pm-utils.
 > > Remember that? The cross-distro package everyone agreed was a good idea
 > > so that every distro didn't have their own magic utility ?
 > 
 > Well, we have cross-distro package, it is at suspend.sf.net , and it
 > can bring up video - which is kind of important. (It is single binary,
 > so it can be pagelocked -- which is important for s2disk).
 > 
 > Plus it does not depend on HAL.

Neither does pm-utils.  Once again for the hard of thinking..

The mechanism belongs in pm-utils.  HAL is just a fancy wrapper around that.
Don't want/like hal? fine, a smaller wrapper around pm-suspend and friends
is trivial (or even unnecessary if you're happy with running pm-suspend by hand)

	Dave

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