linux-kernel - Re: epoll design problems with common fork/exec patterns

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802261049040.27243@alien.or.mcafeemobile.com>
Date:	Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:51:55 -0800 (PST)
From:	Davide Libenzi <davidel@...ilserver.org>
To:	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...glemail.com>
cc:	David Schwartz <davids@...master.com>, dada1@...mosbay.com,
	"Chris \"?\" Heath" <chris@...thens.co.nz>,
	"Linux-Kernel@...r. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-man@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: epoll design problems with common fork/exec patterns

On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Michael Kerrisk wrote:

> Davide Libenzi wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, David Schwartz wrote:
> > 
> >> Eric Dumazet wrote:
> >>
> >>> Events are not necessarly reported "by descriptors". epoll uses an opaque
> >>> field provided by the user.
> >>>
> >>> It's up to the user to properly chose a tag that will makes sense
> >>> if the user
> >>> app is playing dup()/close() games for example.
> >> Great. So the only issue then is that the documentation is confusing. It
> >> frequently uses the term "fd" where it means file. For example, it says:
> >>
> >>               Q1     What  happens  if  you  add  the  same fd to an
> >> epoll_set
> >>                      twice?
> >>
> >>               A1     You will probably get EEXIST.  However,  it  is
> >> possible
> >>                      that  two  threads  may  add the same fd twice. This is
> >> a
> >>                      harmless condition.
> >>
> >> This gives no reason to think there's anything wrong with adding the same
> >> file twice so long as you do so through different descriptors. (One can
> >> imagine an application that does this to segregate read and write operations
> >> to avoid a race where the descriptor is closed from under a writer due to
> >> handling a fatal read error.) Obviously, that won't work.
> > 
> > I agree, that is confusing. However, you can safely add two different file 
> > descriptors pointing to the same file*, with different event masks, and 
> > that will work as expected.
> 
> So can I summarize what I understand:
> 
> a) Adding the same file descriptor twice to an epoll set will cause an
> error (EEXIST).

Yes.



> b) In a separate message to linux-man, Chris Heath says that two threads
> *can't* add the same fd twice to an epoll set, despite what the existing
> man page text says.  I haven't tested that, but it sounds to me as though
> it is likely to be true.  Can you comment please Davide?

Yes, you can't add the same fd twice. Think about a DB where "file*,fd" is 
the key.



> c) It is possible to add duplicated file descriptors referring to the same
> underlying open file description ("file *").  As you note, this can be a
> useful filtering technique, if the two file descriptors specify different
> masks.
> 
> Assuming that is all correct, for man-pages-2.79, I've reworked the text
> for Q1/A1 as follows:
> 
>        Q1     What  happens  if you add the same file descriptor
>               to an epoll set twice?
> 
>        A1     You will probably get EEXIST.  However, it is pos-
>               sible   to   add  a  duplicate  (dup(2),  dup2(2),
>               fcntl(2) F_DUPFD, fork(2)) descriptor to the  same
>               epoll  set.   This  can  be a useful technique for
>               filtering events, if the duplicate  file  descrip-
>               tors are registered with different events masks.
> 
> Seem okay Davide?

Looks sane to me.



- Davide


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