Date:	Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:03:22 +0800
From:	"Dave Young" <hidave.darkstar@...il.com>
To:	"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@...cle.com>
Cc:	akpm <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Dave Jones" <davej@...emonkey.org.uk>,
	"Linux Kernel" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: boot_delay broken ?

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:09:48 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>  >
>  >  > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:59:31PM +0800, Dave Young wrote:
>  >  > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@...il.com> wrote:
>  >  > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com> wrote:
>  >  > > >  > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:14:36 +0800 Dave Young wrote:
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Dave Jones <davej@...emonkey.org.uk> wrote:
>  >  > > >  >  > > The boot_delay switch seems to be behaving strangely in the
>  >  > > >  >  > >  current -git.  Setting it to =10 makes the output 'bursty'
>  >  > > >  >  > >  it becomes slow for some printk's whilst others scroll by
>  >  > > >  >  > >  at regular speed.
>  >  > > >  >  > >  Setting it any higher than that seems to make it pause for
>  >  > > >  >  > >  a really long time before it outputs any text at all.
>  >  > > >  >  >
>  >  > > >  >  > On my side there's this issue for a long time
>  >  > > >  >  > http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/8/79
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  [http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=118655896515049&w=2]
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  You asked questions and they were answered.  Perhaps you didn't like
>  >  > > >  >  the answers.
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  No, I like it.  Thanks.
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  But I still want to know why mdelay can not be used.
>  >  > > >  is it not available for all archs or something else?
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  Here's a question for you.  What kernel boot options did you use?
>  >  > > >  >  Specifically, for lpj= and boot_delay= ?
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  I tried boot_delay=100 and boot_delay=200 without lpj set, The result
>  >  > > >  was really slow. It was better with lpj copied from dmesg, but was
>  >  > > >  still slower then mdelay.
>  >  > >
>  >  > > Especially at the very beginning after the message "Booting the kernel",
>  >  > > I need to wait several minutes to see the afterwards messages

Answer to myself : It's due to the first delayed printk.

>  >  > >
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  I think we can firstly use preset lpj, after delay calibrating just
>  >  > > >  use the system lpj
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  > >
>  >  > > >  >  > >  x86 timer changes perhaps ?
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >  >  ---
>  >  > > >  >  ~Randy
>  >  > > >  >
>  >  > > >
>  >  >
>  >  > How about use loops_per_jiffy as following? With this patch at least
>  >  > for me the very long delay at the very begining does not occur.

It does impoving the code, but does not resolve problem here.

It looks ok because the loops_per_jiffy initial value is 4096, with
this value the delay result is much better than with values copied
from calibrated results.

BTW, Pavel's suggest (nohz=off highres=off notsc) does not help me.

>  >  >
>  >  > kernel/printk.c |   15 ++++-----------
>  >  > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
>  >  >
>  >  > diff -upr linux/kernel/printk.c linux.new/kernel/printk.c
>  >  > --- linux/kernel/printk.c     2008-02-26 16:54:23.000000000 +0800
>  >  > +++ linux.new/kernel/printk.c 2008-02-26 16:59:02.000000000 +0800
>  >  > @@ -173,24 +173,14 @@ __setup("log_buf_len=", log_buf_len_setu
>  >  >  #ifdef CONFIG_BOOT_PRINTK_DELAY
>  >  >
>  >  >  static unsigned int boot_delay; /* msecs delay after each printk during bootup */
>  >  > -static unsigned long long printk_delay_msec; /* per msec, based on boot_delay */
>  >  >
>  >  >  static int __init boot_delay_setup(char *str)
>  >  >  {
>  >  > -     unsigned long lpj;
>  >  > -     unsigned long long loops_per_msec;
>  >  > -
>  >  > -     lpj = preset_lpj ? preset_lpj : 1000000;        /* some guess */
>  >  > -     loops_per_msec = (unsigned long long)lpj / 1000 * HZ;
>  >  > -
>  >  >       get_option(&str, &boot_delay);
>  >  >       if (boot_delay > 10 * 1000)
>  >  >               boot_delay = 0;
>  >  >
>  >  > -     printk_delay_msec = loops_per_msec;
>  >  > -     printk(KERN_DEBUG "boot_delay: %u, preset_lpj: %ld, lpj: %lu, "
>  >  > -             "HZ: %d, printk_delay_msec: %llu\n",
>  >  > -             boot_delay, preset_lpj, lpj, HZ, printk_delay_msec);
>  >  > +     printk(KERN_DEBUG "boot_delay: %u\n", boot_delay);
>  >  >       return 1;
>  >  >  }
>  >  >  __setup("boot_delay=", boot_delay_setup);
>  >  > @@ -199,6 +189,9 @@ static void boot_delay_msec(void)
>  >  >  {
>  >  >       unsigned long long k;
>  >  >       unsigned long timeout;
>  >  > +     unsigned long long printk_delay_msec;
>  >  > +
>  >  > +     printk_delay_msec = (unsigned long long)loops_per_jiffy / 1000 * HZ;
>  >  >
>  >  >       if (boot_delay == 0 || system_state != SYSTEM_BOOTING)
>  >  >               return;
>  >  > --
>  >
>  >  Hi Dave,
>  >
>  >  That might work, but IMO it requires someone to audit all
>  >  architectures to make sure that loops_per_jiffy has been calibrated
>  >  at that point in time
>  >(as I mentioned in http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/11/153).
>
>  Sorry for missing your words about this.
>
>
>  >
>  >  I didn't do that and you said that you tested i386 only.
>  >
>  >  Maybe you can get Andrew to merge it into -mm for testing...
>
>  Andrew, what's your opinon?
>
>
>  >
>  >  However, setting boot_delay=N without setting lpj=M is just not
>  >  advisable.  The Kconfig help text for BOOT_PRINTK_DELAY tries to
>  >  say that.  Maybe it needs to be stronger?
>
>  I think it's enough now.
>
>  I tested boot_delay yestoday, and found the result is different with
>  before version.
>  Even with lpj preset the delay is very slow, 5-10 seconds for every printk.
>  Maybe this is what davej said.
>
>  I will do some more test and hack about this today.
>
>
>
>  >
>  >           It is likely that you would also need to use "lpj=M" to preset
>  >           the "loops per jiffie" value.
>  >           See a previous boot log for the "lpj" value to use for your
>  >           system, and then set "lpj=M" before setting "boot_delay=N".
>  >
>  >
>  >  ---
>  >  ~Randy
>  >
>
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